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Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by sigterm »

kabouseng wrote: post #198
abritishguy wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The baseband processor has no access to the parts of memory it is not meant to, possibly some of the early iPhones did but currently they are properly isolated.

Please substantiate with a link.

Considering iPhone has their custom processor design, this information is most likely confidential. However, it isn't inconceivable that some sort of memory protection method similar to IOMMU can be added to the internal fabric to prevent baseband processors (or any other peripherals) from accessing arbitrary physical memory.

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by alwillis »

rendezvouscp wrote: post #183
Mikeb85 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet the page says "less than 0.00385% of customers had data disclosed due to government information requests." So they ARE giving data to the government at their request... BTW, that percentage of say, 100 million customers (which I'm sure Apple has, probably more) is 3850 people, not an insignificant number... Anyhow, I personally wouldn't trust anyone anyway. Google, MS and Apple are all American corporations, and…

Unless I’m doing the math wrong, 0.00385% of 10 million is 385.

Not to mention that Apple has sold over 800 million iOS devices.

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by function_seven »

kabouseng wrote: post #198
abritishguy wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The baseband processor has no access to the parts of memory it is not meant to, possibly some of the early iPhones did but currently they are properly isolated.

Please substantiate with a link.

The baseband firmware is cyptographically signed by Apple (and would thus require their complicity in backdooring) and the A7 models have a so-called Secure Enclave, which handles the encryption and decryption of memory contents.

Link: http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/docs/iOS_Security_Feb14.p...

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by ilobby »

enneff wrote: post #85
Drakim wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often it seems like the people want businesses to take up the fight for privacy, rather than the people themselves.

And why not? Businesses, through lobbying, essentially control the US government. It's not unreasonable that American citizens might feel more empowered voting with their dollars than with ballot papers.

Excellent point. So do it. iLobby.co

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by ilobby »

enneff wrote: post #85
Drakim wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often it seems like the people want businesses to take up the fight for privacy, rather than the people themselves.

And why not? Businesses, through lobbying, essentially control the US government. It's not unreasonable that American citizens might feel more empowered voting with their dollars than with ballot papers.

It was about three $3.2 billion last year in 2013 from the federally registered lobbyists. The state level is probably equal to that. Some think the real numbers are closer to $9 billion at the federal level because PR and consulting don't have to be filed with the Senate clerk.

https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by kabouseng »

function_seven wrote: post #203
kabouseng wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please substantiate with a link.

The baseband firmware is cyptographically signed by Apple (and would thus require their complicity in backdooring) and the A7 models have a so-called Secure Enclave, which handles the encryption and decryption of memory contents. Link: http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/docs/iOS_Security_Feb14.p...

Thank you very much, I'll definitely read through the doc through the course of the day. But a cursory glance still does not mean that rogue software on the baseband cannot compromise your phone, but it is getting more and more difficult to place rogue software on the baseband.

"And would require Apple's complicity" - Or perhaps rather Qualcomms's...

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by kabouseng »

sigterm wrote: post #201
kabouseng wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please substantiate with a link.

Considering iPhone has their custom processor design, this information is most likely confidential. However, it isn't inconceivable that some sort of memory protection method similar to IOMMU can be added to the internal fabric to prevent baseband processors (or any other peripherals) from accessing arbitrary physical memory.

Thats fine, I just wasn't sure how abrittishguy can state his assertions so absolutely as facts.

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by stephenr »

danford wrote: post #129

Except it's not open source. If it's not open source then you have no idea what's going on beyond what Apple tells you. Ask your self: Would Snowden use this phone? Your answer to this question is the same as the answer to the question "Is this phone secure?" I guess I'll get downvoted for this sense it goes against the Apple circlejerk, but this issue is more important to me than magic internet points.

The "its only secure if its open source" argument only really works if you compile the source yourself - otherwise you 're just trusting that the binaries on the devices are in fact compiled from the source that is published, in which case you may as well trust anything they say.

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by stephenr »

pikachu_is_cool wrote: post #139

I don't need to read this. Everything on the iPhone is proprietary software. As it has been proven countless times, there is an 100% probability that there are backdoors everywhere on this device. This entire blog post is a lie.

Yay for hyperbole!

Re: Apple – Privacy – Government Information Requests

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Post by kabouseng »

kabouseng wrote: post #198
abritishguy wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The baseband processor has no access to the parts of memory it is not meant to, possibly some of the early iPhones did but currently they are properly isolated.

Please substantiate with a link.

Why the downvote?
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