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Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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You must see a good therapist, even if you pay out of pocket for your sessions. I am also very introverted and have also gone through a few years of loneliness, though not as intense as yours. It's fine to try and fix your problems on your own, but when you fail for several years, there is no shame in getting help from a professional. Psychotherapy has made great progress in the past 50 years with the discovery of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. It is no longer the wishy-washy pseudoscience that it used to be. Of course, a therapist is not a magician, but it may really help. You must explore this option.

Maybe, like me, you think that seeing a therapist is shameful because it is akin to "admitting defeat". However, it sounds like you've been in an extremely difficult and painful situation for a number of years, which makes seeing a therapist not a defeat; on the contrary, it is the correct thing to do.

Good luck, I hope that you get better.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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post #77

I stated this in a sub thread, but: Get in the practice of getting in debt to other people (not necessarily monetary). Asking for favors, or help. If you read Debt: The Last 5000 years, debts are the glue that held society together for milennia. It sounds like you have done a lot of work making yourself independent. But if you want to be social and have friends, you have to do exactly the opposite, and find a way to…

From my experience, indebting other people to you works really well too. However, you must not expect anything in return when doing the favour, and act gracious even if they don't return it.

You also have to be careful to not become known as a pushover.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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Here's my thoughts, as someone who's naturally shy, socially awkward (or maybe just plain weird), and loaded with anxiety issues. Start small. Don't try to make friends at first, just practice interacting with people. Ask totally random people questions you can Google. Is the 6 train running on time today? Is this the way to Market Street? Do you know a good coffee shop around here? Ask people in social situations pe…

One last one-- Be a friend to yourself. Not in a sappy, metaphorical way, but in a game-theoretical way. One of the mistakes I made for the longest period of time was that I waited for other people to make the first move. If someone didn't regularly go out of their way to interact with me -- come over and talk to me, invite me to do things -- I assumed they didn't want to and didn't go over and talk to them or invite…

>If someone didn't regularly go out of their way to interact with me -- come over and talk to me, invite me to do things -- I assumed they didn't want to and didn't go over and talk to them or invite them places.

I have done this for decades. I just assumed that people dont' want talk to me because I am Indian ( I spent a while in the south and that attitude stuck with me even after moving to chicago)

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#204

A few observations: 1) I'm fairly introverted, and I've been successful finding new friends when I've found interest-based clubs/groups; for me this would be gaming or making-things groups; it could also be a local sports league, tech meetup, or book club or something. These are great ways to meet people. With a little bit of luck you'll meet cool people with similar interests in no time. 2) You seem far too nervous…

As another introverted guy find an introvert compatible sport. Sport doesn't just mean competitive league team ball games. I like hiking. Its dangerous to hike alone. There are innumerable hiking clubs where you can meet people, or if you're not in the mood to talk they'll at least make sure if you break your leg you won't be left to die, plus you'll get some excellent exercise.

Asian is waaaaaay too vague but I did take a semester of Japanese for the heck of it perhaps a decade ago, and the OP did ask to meet ladies, and the class was about 50% women who would fight over the opportunity to "study" with a native speaker. So lets go to the coffee shop after class and discuss the homework further, etc. So find the local higher ed school and ask the teacher if they'd like the help of a native speaker, even if all you do during class is sip a soda I'm sure you'll get all the attention you can tolerate both before and after class. Stay on the teachers good side by never interrupting or correcting them unless prompted (their class, not yours). Aside from language, an ethnic cooking class might like your help.

OP may think being foreigner means Americans won't care, but I found it totally fascinating talking to a Korean coworker for endless hours. You need a collection of conversation starters "well, in Korea we have vending machines that contain beer" or "ah well a twelve hour flight back home next summer" or "let me tell you about real korean bbq" or whatever.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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Here is a lesson I've learned the long, hard way after 30 years of being a strong introvert: it's not how or where you meet people that counts. It's how you stay in touch. Look around you. Every day, in every situation imaginable, there are hundreds of ways to meet people. There really are. You could strike up a conversation with a stranger on a subway. You could ask for some advice from the girl ahead of you in line…

> If you're a true introvert, your biggest enemy is yourself.

This sort of statement sounds suspicious to me. Are you absolutely sure your meaning of introvert isn't idiosyncratic?

This is the sort of thing I remember David Hume writing an essay about. If someone wants to be alone, there is absolutely nothing non-genuine about that desire, even if it's unproductive or you yourself think someone should want something else instead.

The response to "I want X but I can't make work" probably shouldn't be "You should want Y instead".

Different people also want different things from friendships. So if there are two friends, and one sees hanging out as only the means to establishing a deeper intimate friendship, but hanging out and having fun is the main purpose of the friendship to the other, then that's not such a great friendship.

I don't think what you said is necessarily very good advice.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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Here is a lesson I've learned the long, hard way after 30 years of being a strong introvert: it's not how or where you meet people that counts. It's how you stay in touch. Look around you. Every day, in every situation imaginable, there are hundreds of ways to meet people. There really are. You could strike up a conversation with a stranger on a subway. You could ask for some advice from the girl ahead of you in line…

I agree with the frequency thing as far as longer term friendships.

I can only speak for myself as an introvert; however, beyond needing that alone time to recharge myself, I find that I tend to like to be social only in small groups. When my wife and I go to social functions.. if it's a larger function, it's pretty much a guarantee I'll latch onto one or two people and chat with them the majority of the time (learning more about interesting aspects of their lives, professions, etc.).

I also think it's easier to begin to become acquaintances and friends with those you have the higher frequency meetings with. The easiest way to make that happen is to look at things you (OP) want to explore and / or improve upon. Perhaps those could be improving his english ( http://english-conversation.meetup.com/cities/us/ca/san_fran... ) and / or perhaps some sort of activities (do you want to try rock climbing? yoga?...find some things that interest you and give them a try by finding some beginner classes...)

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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Play a co-ed sport. Through sports, you'll:

- improve your fitness and yourself confidence - meet new girls - have a socially structured environment. The sport you're playing is a topic you can talk about with your teammates.

There are few other reasons why you should play join a sport team in your situation but they are not coming to my mind at the moment.

Good luck

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#209
It is easier if you try to make friends who have common passions. You could start a community project for your particular branch of engineering and look for people to join, e.g. on Reddit. Or you could join an existing project. Working on something together is a good way to bond to people.

If you don't have an immediately good idea that other people would be interested in, you might want to look at charity. Lot's of nice people and they usually need a wide range of skills.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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here's a couple of things i would do, if i were in your shoes:

- join a local group of some sort: my best recommendation would be a theater class, my preference, improvisational theater; given, this could be scary for an introvert (but actually is loads of fun and you really get to bond with people in a unique way); helps you with meeting people, English, self-confidence

- join a local facebook group of some sort: e..g expats in redwood city, or become a volunteer if you have your weekends to spare

- if you are a programmer, start your own projects and learn new stuff; take that alone time and turn it into something constructive, maybe something you can even show later to people and have as a point of conversation; choose a fun subject that other people can use immediately; be patient and stick with it, this can take some time (there was an idea sunday thread on HN, maybe you should check that?)

- befriend people at work to begin with, join them for lunch, or ask if they want to join you for lunch; how to befriend people? Ask about their favourite music, movies, books, their lives, stories. Be interested. Remember. One day, ask if they want to grab a beer after work

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