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Re: Chris Lattner on Swift

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I realize I'm in the Lion's Den. I feel that if you stepped outside the Google employee and Hacker News bubble you would see Go stubbornly refusing to have modern features, as I do. I've been programming for 30 years and have written code that is in every Linux distro, and yes I did read the Go mailing list occasionally in the early days. But if it makes you feel better to call my opinions ignorant then I hope that's…

I wasn't calling your opinions ignorant. I made several factual corrections about your post. You also made further incorrect statements about the development timeline of go (dsymonds corrected you there). No offense was intended, but in general I'm of the opinion that you should get your facts straight when criticising something publicly. Also I've gotta laugh at "lions den". I've been reading HNers (like yourself) b…

> Also I've gotta laugh at "lions den".

And are you going to laugh all the way over to r/programming? There is some criticism on HN. Where there are no holds barred it's really brutal. I don't blame you as a Go developer for avoiding those forums.

> incorrect statements about the development timeline of go (dsymonds corrected you there).

Go authors retconned their decision making process in talks, lists, and on the web, which in terms of feeling defensive about it now is the same thing.

Re: Chris Lattner on Swift

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post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't calling your opinions ignorant. I made several factual corrections about your post. You also made further incorrect statements about the development timeline of go (dsymonds corrected you there). No offense was intended, but in general I'm of the opinion that you should get your facts straight when criticising something publicly. Also I've gotta laugh at "lions den". I've been reading HNers (like yourself) b…

> Also I've gotta laugh at "lions den". And are you going to laugh all the way over to r/programming? There is some criticism on HN. Where there are no holds barred it's really brutal. I don't blame you as a Go developer for avoiding those forums. > incorrect statements about the development timeline of go (dsymonds corrected you there). Go authors retconned their decision making process in talks, lists, and on the w…

I stopped regularly visiting /r/programming before I started working on Go. The standard of discourse is too low; too many people eager to dickwave by sharing their negative opinions. HN can be bad but at least I can have a vaguely sane conversation here from time to time.

Re: Chris Lattner on Swift

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post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't calling your opinions ignorant. I made several factual corrections about your post. You also made further incorrect statements about the development timeline of go (dsymonds corrected you there). No offense was intended, but in general I'm of the opinion that you should get your facts straight when criticising something publicly. Also I've gotta laugh at "lions den". I've been reading HNers (like yourself) b…

> Also I've gotta laugh at "lions den". And are you going to laugh all the way over to r/programming? There is some criticism on HN. Where there are no holds barred it's really brutal. I don't blame you as a Go developer for avoiding those forums. > incorrect statements about the development timeline of go (dsymonds corrected you there). Go authors retconned their decision making process in talks, lists, and on the w…

Suggesting "retconning" here makes no sense.

You said the Go team "[designed] the language in public". I pointed out that there's only a small amount of difference between the first public unveiling of Go and its current state, which you can verify for yourself.

You said the Go team "now don't want to admit their errors". I pointed out that we've admitted lots of errors, publicly, which you can verify for yourself.

Your criticisms seem scattershot and just don't make sense.

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