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Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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This was interesting: "Touch ID- For the first time, you’ll have the option of using Touch ID to sign in to third-party apps — there’s no need to enter a password. Your fingerprint data is protected and is never accessed by iOS or other apps." Will this be used significantly by developers?

It depends. For secure applications? I doubt it; fingerprints is identification, not authorization. Bank apps and the like won't consider it secure enough.

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"It's worth noting that Google had absolutely everything they needed to do this years ago, and just... didn't." This is so true and so sad. Google Voice, why are you so almost great and so neglected? I have to say though that my disappointment in Google Voice is quickly being matched by my disappointment in Google Maps which actually was great but continually gets less so with each release.

Yea, what's going on with Maps? It used to almost always get me to the right place when I searched, now, half the time it tries to send me to Bangalore or across the country until I add a city parameter.

It does seem to have got a bit silly - I searched recently for directions from Edinburgh to Falkland (a village less than an hour away, but a fairly popular tourist destination) and it thought I wanted to go from Edinburgh to the Falkland Islands....

I'm pretty sure Maps didn't used to do dumb things like that.

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Call/SMS integration is great. It's worth noting that Google had absolutely everything they needed to do this years ago , and just... didn't. Hangouts is still inferior to iMessage today. It's a real shame. Edit: this extensibility stuff might be enough to tempt me back to Apple from Android, at last. Third party keyboards, too (I've gotten quite attached to the Android swiping stuff). Honestly, at this point, I'm no…

You are right. Google has completely fractured message on Android. You have to install 10 different messengers to be able to talk to different factions of people. Also since they want to push Google Hangouts' online feature their messaging app is quite confusing.

I stick to Anroid for innovations like LastPass's 'fill into applications', link browser, Pocket, etc. They are so tightly integrated with Android that it is very pleasurable to use.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Impress by All the announcements for developer in the WWDC. But taking the perspective of a enduser, there are key features i was hopping to get in iOS 8 that i didn't: -Spotlight Integration For third Party Apps. -Multi-User Support Or Guest Mode -iMessage For Android -App Trials -Fixing The Music App ( Artis-Album View is broken) -Third Party Default Apps

Can you expand a bit on what you mean by "third-party default apps?" I'm not sure I know any users who are particularly vexed that Apple doesn't allow carriers to load up their devices with crapware.

Probably it was about ability of third party apps to register itself as default handlers of protocols, mime types and file extensions.

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wrboyce, you linked me Chrome for iOS. I covered that in my post, please keep up: Chrome for iOS is powered by Safari on iOS, because Apple refuses to allow any other developer use the developers own code and libraries. Chrome is prevented from using Google's inhouse Blink rendering engine and the majority of the rest of the Chrome code and features we know and love on every other platform including Android . Chrome…

Do you have a source for UIWebView being an older version of safari than MobileSafari? I thought they were the same except for the Nitro (JIT) stuff, and even that seems to be changing for iOS8, especially with the Modern Webkit thing that's been showing up in webkit git commits.

You are right, except nitro there arent any critical differences between them.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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WebGL works in iOS8, no longer disabled :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7837899

Yeah I got the news an hour ago. That's amazing, very happy about it! Been working on a webgl pet project and concerned about adoption with the iDevice market out of reach. It also partly invalidates my point earlier.

The pattern increasingly seems to be Apple try stuff out with their own apps then release to the wider community as they get comfortable.

I can understand why that frustrates developers but I can understand why Apple do it.

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They announced new family features today that imply that they think each family member should have his/her own device.

Like I'm going to get my 5 year old an iPad. Not happening. I let him use mine, and when he logs in, I want him to see a few educational apps... and that's it. When we're at functions, we see parents let their kids use their iPads all the time, and they are always checking in to see if they've opened their email, or certain games, etc. Maybe just a "Kids" login. It has NOTHING but a few apps of choice show up. Doesn'…

Kids Corner on Windows Phone is what I want rather than separate accounts.

That said, my 3 and 4 year olds cause no problems with my iPad so I'm not sure how big a deal it is.

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I don't understand why every single keyboard on mobile doesn't have the .COM button. It's basically become as ubiquitous as any punctuation mark given how often emails are typed.

FYI, in appropriate locations (browsers), holding the period key will give you options for .us, .org, .edu, .net, and .com.

Really? Thanks, will definitely be trying this.

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It sounds simple but it's not. Take android for example, i thought i could quickly set up a guest/party account without my email and things like that. Creating the account and selecting the allowed apps was very easy, the problems came later. First, all my system settings wasn't cloned, to the new account i had to re-add things you take for granted like my localized keyboards and stuff like that, can't remember if wi…

I find it odd that your first comment is a complaint that setting up a new user actually acts like a new user. Of course your settings didn't carry over. That's the whole point of separate user accounts. I see no need to overcomplicate it. A user account system where each account acts like a separate device (aside from the unfortunate realities of sharing storage resources) would be fine. What apps share state? None!…

On fixed hardware devices things are a bit easier, but consider a desktop PC with Windows. If i install a driver for my new printer, should user B also have to install that driver? Should every family member have to install a printer driver?! To make things even worse replace printer with something necessary to even run the system properly like graphics card driver. Another food for thought is windows update. I consider the keyboard localization in android to be of similar system-wide-configuration kind and shouldn't have to be redone for every user, someone else might not. (As a side note changing to a localized keyboard in android is in fact much harder than installing a driver in windows).

When does something cross the line from "system wide driver/configuration" to "user specific data/configuration"? If absolutely everything should act like a separate device you might as well dual boot or use virtual machines.

One of my scenarios for shared data is that when I'm working i want to listen to my music, but when i have a party i want to use the same device as a jukebox with the same music but not open up access to my documents. I know that i'm not alone with this problem. Trusting your friends to not dig around is another topic but with pop up notifications and active widgets on the desktop even your most trusted friends might get private emails shoved in their face even if they are trying to avoid them.

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FYI, in appropriate locations (browsers), holding the period key will give you options for .us, .org, .edu, .net, and .com.

Really? Thanks, will definitely be trying this.

Happy to help. It's elaborated on here [0] along with some other tips (warning: autoplay video).

[0] http://www.macworld.com/article/2050506/secrets-of-the-ios-7...

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