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AdBlock Plus’s effect on Firefox’s memory usage

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Re: AdBlock Plus’s effect on Firefox’s memory usage

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post #89

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> That was true in the late 90s, but these days a browser is actually a fully-fledged programming environment that also happens to have some incredibly sophisticated multimedia capabilities: text, images, video, audio, animations, 3d graphics, etc. Maybe I just miss the 90s, but I would much rather have the simple content browser than a "full-fledged programming environment", especially since all of that content is c…

Define "modern BS".

What about "tons of JS just for the sake of it"?

Ever since google maps, everyone started using JS like there is no tomorrow. And what came out of it? HTML is no longer enough. Firefox doesn't give option of disabling JS (1)

(1) about:config doesn't count

Re: AdBlock Plus’s effect on Firefox’s memory usage

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post #188

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"Network effect" not "networking effect": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

Unless you're building something like a social network or marketplace site, that specific kind of network effect seems unlikely to matter very much.

It seemed like you were confused about the term and or the correct use of the term. The term is "network effect" not "networkING effect." I am not invested in the argument one way or the other. I just wanted to point out how to use the term.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=network+effect...

Re: AdBlock Plus’s effect on Firefox’s memory usage

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post #37
post #26

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"The first thing people complain about with browsers is ..." They changed the browser UI, either the browser devs or the site devs via stupid javascript tricks (messing with scrolling, etc). I got driveby download powned and my CC info stolen and five spam toolbars in the UI I can't get rid of. There are too many spammy ads. They make is as hard as humanly possible to use bookmarks to encourage the use of a search en…

Definitely. In a browser-on-pc setting, who even cares about memory any more? We have loads of it.

> In a browser-on-pc setting, who even cares about memory any more?

I do. I have 16GB of RAM (the max for my computer) and have 3GB of swap used. About 8GB of that is Firefox, and I (obviously) run more than just a browser on my computer.

Re: AdBlock Plus’s effect on Firefox’s memory usage

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post #59
post #31

> Many people (including me!) will be happy with this trade-off — they will gladly use extra memory in order to block ads. Well, for me the whole point of blocking ads is because they are often big flash things that hog cpu and memory. If ABP is no better, then most of the reason is gone. I'd actually like to view ads to support more sites.

the point for me is the visual noise, not the memory that ads consume. Actually, normal users are used to the lag, they don't see it as much as we do. You can take a look at consoles that have run games at 30fps for decades and nobody complained.

> the point for me is the visual noise…

Yes! And the cognitive noise. I find it literally impossible to read text if there's some blinking ad nearby. Before Adblock I'd have to put my had up to the screen to block the animation so that I could read the article text in peace.

Re: AdBlock Plus’s effect on Firefox’s memory usage

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post #190

This is like a commercial for forking Firefox to build highly efficient ad blocking into the browser. It's sad that the most-demanded feature on every browser, as evidenced by plugin downloads, is ad blocking. However, all the major browsers are produced by companies with their hands in advertising, and this conflict of interest has resulted in this feature request going unfulfilled for a over a decade. Fork 'em.

I don't think we can block ads in mainstream browsers because ad providers will just work around the blocks. Plugins provide defense in numbers against suck workarounds, making ad blocks actually effective.

This doesn't make sense to me. Why can't ad providers work around the blocks in adblock? And why could they work around those same blocks if they happened to be integrated into the browser itself?

Take popup blocking as an example. That's integrated into the browser and has almost completely eliminated the annoying popup ad.

Re: AdBlock Plus’s effect on Firefox’s memory usage

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post #19

Wouldn't the solution involve allowing plugins to manipulate the content of a page before it is parsed by the browser? There used to be a proxy adblocker that did that, but I don't think it works anymore. The Kindle browser uses a proxy to pre-render pages on the server in order to lighten the load of the device. Could AaaS (Adblock as a service) be a viable business? I think I'd pay for it.

> Could AaaS (Adblock as a service) be a viable business? I think I'd pay for it. It probably could, however I'm sure it would be shut down quickly by advertisers and parties showing ads - after all, you're offering a service to remove their source of income. Unless you'd funnel part of your subscriber's income back to the advertisers, based on whose ads you block. But I'm sure it'd end up being too expensive for the…

> It probably could, however I'm sure it would be shut down quickly by advertisers and parties showing ads

What legal leg would they have to stand on? There's no law that prevents me ripping out the ads of magazines that get delivered to me…

Re: AdBlock Plus’s effect on Firefox’s memory usage

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post #91
post #20

It's not just memory overhead, it is also CPU overhead. One approach is to write the filtering engine from scratch. It is what I did, without looking at ABP's code beforehand in order to ensure a clean slate mind. I didn't get it right the first time, I did spend quite a large amount of time benchmarking, measuring, prototyping, etc. Once I was satisfied I had finally had a solid code base, I went and benchmarked it…

Just installed the extension and it seems great. Particularly like the matrix UI for allowing/blocking things. However, I definitely don't want to micromanage things like accepting scripts and cookies for certain sites I use. Is there a way to make it work essentially the same way as AdBlock does? Tried to look in the wiki but didn't find anything.

This! I would like to have AdBlockPlus' UI with httpSwitchboard's backend. So I filed a request to AdBlockPlus to do that:

https://issues.adblockplus.org/ticket/488

Re: AdBlock Plus’s effect on Firefox’s memory usage

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I'm just gonna say this as a person who uses ABP and has not done any low level memory analysis: browsing using ABP saves me much more time and makes my browsing much quicker:

-ads take so long to load and when ABP is not enabled bogs down my browser hard core

-when watching videos I have to wait 3-20 seconds for them to load, with ABP enabled I do not have to wait at all

It consistently saves me several minutes every day. If it adds a few extra milliseconds to load some style sheets I have never, ever noticed.

Re: AdBlock Plus’s effect on Firefox’s memory usage

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A drawback is that a proxy won't be able to filter HTTPS traffic.

That depends on the proxy. Systems that effectively MITM your own network's traffic have been around for some years now. All you need for outbound connections is to install an additional certificate in your browser so the proxy can act a trusted partner for HTTPS. I don't know whether anyone has made such a proxy for use in the kind of situation we're talking about here, however.

Adguard does that. Been beta testing it. One adblock to rule them all kinda thing.

Re: AdBlock Plus’s effect on Firefox’s memory usage

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> Could AaaS (Adblock as a service) be a viable business? I think I'd pay for it. It probably could, however I'm sure it would be shut down quickly by advertisers and parties showing ads - after all, you're offering a service to remove their source of income. Unless you'd funnel part of your subscriber's income back to the advertisers, based on whose ads you block. But I'm sure it'd end up being too expensive for the…

> It probably could, however I'm sure it would be shut down quickly by advertisers and parties showing ads What legal leg would they have to stand on? There's no law that prevents me ripping out the ads of magazines that get delivered to me…

The same one that allows them to sue people for scraping their website.

Tech laws are absurd.

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