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We as developers in the Open Source community should be ashamed people are still using Vim to write LaTeX in Bash running on terminal emulators. What?! You can take my vim+bash+tmux+urxvt when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!
i so wish any of the terminal emulators in osx had the scriptability that urxvt has. i miss it all the time :/
Neovim
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Re: Neovim
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I wouldn't trash talk this if it was simply an unpopular way of working. I'm trash talking it because it's the most popular way of working. I don't know anyone that does not write his/her papers in LaTex. I have a lot of respect for having your own toolchain that's optimized and comfortable for you. I am sorry I come across wrong, I am not saying that developers should feel ashamed for using it. I am saying developer…
> I'm trash talking it because it's the most popular way of working. I don't know anyone that does not write his/her papers in LaTex. And you never stopped to investigate why, in spite of the far greater ease of entry that alternatives have?
Re: Neovim
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
> vim falls short in discoverabilty and, arguably, in user expectation, and suitability for learning. vim fits very well all the criteria you just cited. Moreover, "discoverability", "user expectation" and "suitability for learning" appear to be buzzwords that you just threw in on your own at the end.
Nope, they all are part of the ISO. I cited two of them, and the first, discoverability, is a consequence of self-descriptiveness and learnability. Don't know how you get the idea I throw them in as buzzword when they are part of the quote...
Re: Neovim
#204Thanks for trying to do what many of us secretly wished we could do but can't because of time/skill constraints. I will definitely move to NeoVim the second it's packaged (is it yet?), regardless if you've changed anything yet. I hate the ideas many programmers have about backwards compatibility, that it's more important than development speed and modern concepts. There is nothing holy about Unix era software, chance…
ring ring ring "yeah, what's up?" "Nagios is paging, something with that code you pushed live a couple hours ago is throwing a fit... looks like half the web cluster is on the verge of going to swap, can you look into it? asap!" "Well, I'm on at the bus stop and won't be near a computer for at least an hour...yeah, I'll sort it out, will text you when we can push fix live." pulls out Note 3, shitty 3G coverage connec…
Re: Neovim
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I agree with almost everything--except for backwards compatibility when it comes to throwing stuff out. There is definite value in it, especially when we're talking about something as old and widely used as vim! This is the part where people are surprised, but I am an extremist. I definitely think backwards compatibility should be among the lowest priorities when making decisions on improving software, especially and…
First, every vim plugin would break. But if you look at how many Vim plugins are actually used, I would be surprised if the top 100 Vim plugins covered less than 99.99% of all Vim users. That means we only have to upgrade 100 Vim plugins, and probably just a couple of lines if they're written well. Please don't invent fake statistics in order to support your argument. Vim's plugin ecosystem has a long tail distributi…
(Sarcasm aside, ^this)
Re: Neovim
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
ring ring ring "yeah, what's up?" "Nagios is paging, something with that code you pushed live a couple hours ago is throwing a fit... looks like half the web cluster is on the verge of going to swap, can you look into it? asap!" "Well, I'm on at the bus stop and won't be near a computer for at least an hour...yeah, I'll sort it out, will text you when we can push fix live." pulls out Note 3, shitty 3G coverage connec…
Moral of the story: Vim is very good for deploying fixes from bus stops.
Re: Neovim
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
ring ring ring "yeah, what's up?" "Nagios is paging, something with that code you pushed live a couple hours ago is throwing a fit... looks like half the web cluster is on the verge of going to swap, can you look into it? asap!" "Well, I'm on at the bus stop and won't be near a computer for at least an hour...yeah, I'll sort it out, will text you when we can push fix live." pulls out Note 3, shitty 3G coverage connec…
Moral of the story: Vim is very good for deploying fixes from bus stops.
Re: Neovim
#208I'm worried that a lot of good projects die off because everyone have mouths to feed. I suspect that I have spent a large part of my adult life using vim, so I want to make sure a good successor comes through.
Take a look at LightTable - which was quite successful [1] in raising and delivering what it promised.
[1] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ibdknox/light-table
Re: Neovim
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Oh get over yourself. Every one of the criticisms he levelled against latex is spot on, and you pick up on the fact that he mentions Word is easier to use (which, by a long, long way, it it).
It's an apples to oranges comparison. I want to draw a conformal mapping diagram in word and also write a 3-vector of the navier-stokes equations. Also, I want to do a lot of tensor arithmetic with tons of superscripts and subscripts and arrows. Tell me how any of this is accomplished in Word please. Saying Word is easier to us is like saying BASIC is easier than C++.
Hell, I just had a postdoc send me figures as part of a manuscript draft where she was using Powerpoint to make the figures instead of something more appropriate like Illustrator. Most people who publish don't care about how their documents are created, they just want them to work and get published. Word does a pretty good job for this.
Use the best tools for the job. Most people would tell you that BASIC is easier to use than C++, if you can write your program in BASIC. And if you don't want to deal with learning curve of C++ and you get get by with BASIC, then what's wrong with using a tool that works?
Re: Neovim
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm trash talking it because it's the most popular way of working. I don't know anyone that does not write his/her papers in LaTex. And you never stopped to investigate why, in spite of the far greater ease of entry that alternatives have?
I have a hard time believing this, to be honest. I know far, far more people who use Microsoft Word, than I do people who use (or even heard of) LaTeX.