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Post by jcc80 »

eropple wrote: post #195
jcc80 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You're wondering what advantages he has?" No, I wasn't. I don't pretend to know anything about this student. I suppose I could put him into a box and make a bunch of assumptions based on the obvious stats, but that's not how I view people. Every individual has their own life story. So, when I see a woman, a Hispanic person, etc. I don't see a victim or someone who's disadvantaged. You have a different view and that'…

That's a very convenient way to not have to address gaping societal problems.

Actually, you've found a convenient way to elevate yourself to the role of hero while looking down on an entire gender and other races. Must feel great.

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Post by jdnier »

Yale acknowledges you're effort: "Just this weekend, we learned of a tool that replicates YBB+'s efforts without violating Yale’s appropriate use policy, and that leapfrogs over the hardest questions before us. What we now see is that we need to review our policies and practices." --Dean Mary Miller's response (Jan. 20) http://yalecollege.yale.edu/content/open-letter-yale-communi...?

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Post by eropple »

jcc80 wrote: post #201
eropple wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a very convenient way to not have to address gaping societal problems.

Actually, you've found a convenient way to elevate yourself to the role of hero while looking down on an entire gender and other races. Must feel great.

I'm not a hero. I'm aware of the advantages I have by winning the parental lottery. And I also understand that people who think saying "we treat people who aren't like us like shit and it's magnified across generations" is "looking down" have a vested interest continued societal unfairness.

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Post by hugoroy »

tomp wrote: post #193
ganeumann wrote: post #192

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_by_country Re: Europe: the European Convention on Human Rights says, in Article 10: "Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of…

Holocaust denial is illegal in many EU countries, and swastika/Nazi flags are illegal in a few as well. So, obviously, freedom of speech isn't the highest priority. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." (attributed to Aristotle)

Defamation is illegal, so obviously freedom of speech isn't the highest priority in the US.

(I'm just trying to show you that there are limits on what you can say without legal trouble and what you cannot say without legal trouble: it all depends on where you put the cursor and how the limits are enforced. But to point out the existence of limits in order to demonstrate the absence of something is flawed.)

BTW, one comment: Holocaust denial is illegal in France. But to be clear, holocaust denial means refuting the facts established by the international Nuremberg tribunal. So it's not like a completely open category. Now, whether it's efficient is another matter…

"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."

-- US Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

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Post by superpatosainz »

justjimmy wrote: post #181
superpatosainz wrote: post #52

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Sir, if I preoperly recall, that's exactly how you discard premises. Taking a premise and applying it to a more extreme situation just battletests it. It's done in justice and law courses, etc. "If the common good justifies killing X agent, then it must be ok for a doctor to kill a patient in their sleep, take his organs and save three people with his two kidneys and heart." Also, what Yale did wasn't right, and the…

"Taking a premise and applying it to a more extreme situation just battletests it. It's done in justice and law courses, etc." I'm really interested in this sentence/concept - is there a term for this or anywhere I can read more about the concept behind this statement?

I based that statement on what I saw in Michael Sandel's HarvardX (edX partner) Justice course. There's a lot of thought experiments and hypothetical situations premises are tested against to see if they still hold to be moral; really interesting.
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