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Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

>the generally accepted rule of the game is that the first to the finish line gets to keep the logo.

Respectfully disagree. The generally accepted law is clear enough, as I understand it: that you have (automatic) copyright over your own design work, but not your idea. (Bad Analogy: I am free to make a for-profit game about flinging red birds at pigs, but I can't use Rovio's code or the Red Bird graphic) If you work as a graphic designer, you need to understand how this impacts on your work.

If you wish to protect your design any further, you need to specifically register a trademark to prevent confusion between businesses in the same industry.

It's clear that they haven't copied your design - the appearance of the work is quite different - and besides it seems plausible or even likely they came up with the (very nice) idea independently.

This is also important to understand for people hiring graphic designers for freelance work - in the UK at least, the designer maintains the copyright for commissioned work unless contractually agreed otherwise (even though the business can still trademark it). In theory, the designer can later prevent you from repurposing one of their designs. For example, if you later decide to start selling merch for your brand, you may have to renegotiate with the designer.

Edited to carefully note: IANAL, take this as advice at your own risk.

Further international edit, from wikipedia, emphasis mine: The United States, Canada and other countries also recognize common law trademark rights, which means action can be taken to protect an unregistered trademark if it is in use.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#202

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

hamachi kicked ass :D

I still use it to play Terraria because its creator never fixed the multiplayer (which by the way if you play will be updated very soon with lots of new content).

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#204

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Congrats on the progress made so far. I'm eager to see how things shape up. Would love to see a community project analogous to this one develop in the e-mail space since too many users find PGP to be cumbersome, despite some very nice implementations. Bitmessage and I2P's bote are both very interesting, but the prior project needs more experienced security people working on it (and some serious refactoring), and the…

Would love to see a community project analogous to this one develop in the e-mail space since too many users find PGP to be cumbersome, despite some very nice implementations. We're on it! https://parley.co will be entering pre-beta later this week. Maybe not technically a "community project" because it's being built by a company that is at least partly motivated by profit, but the whole thing is BSD-licensed so peop…

Great! Yeah, community would be ideal but a small company like yours is definitely wonderful, as well. As long as it's open source, it's fine by me.

I see you're building on PGP, which has been historically confusing for non-tech folks, but I look forward to see what you've come up with to counter that confusion.

A couple of issues:

1. Not sure if you'll be using the same server/TLS cert for your actual web-based e-mail sender, but I got a giant warning on Android (Kindle Fire running Chrome for Android) about the certificate being invalid. It's probably the fact that you need to host the intermediate certificates on your site (i.e., the chain of trust is "broken"). If you are hosting them, then it might be this issue: http://www.unrelatedshit.com/2011/10/21/positivessl-not-work...

2. Again on the https, have you considered upgrading to TLS 1.1, or 1.2? You'd be able to offer ECDHE for forward secrecy, among other advantages. But you may have reasons for sticking with 1.0.

3. Are you vulnerable to SSL stripping attacks, like Moxie Marlinspike proposed? You are redirecting http requests to https.

Again, you may not be using this server for your actual registration, but just fyi.

One more suggestion: you may want to simplify the pricing. Do you really need 6 different categories? I'd try to eliminate at least 1, and ideally 2 or 3. Three categories may be the sweet spot (I think there's actual empirical research underlying this, but don't have time to search for citations). For a (non-scientific) summary of this, see: http://thinktraffic.net/most-common-pricing-mistake

Good luck, and feel free to e-mail me at my username @ gmail if you need a beta tester.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#205

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

It's a great logo and it's a shame it was stolen.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would love to see a community project analogous to this one develop in the e-mail space since too many users find PGP to be cumbersome, despite some very nice implementations. We're on it! https://parley.co will be entering pre-beta later this week. Maybe not technically a "community project" because it's being built by a company that is at least partly motivated by profit, but the whole thing is BSD-licensed so peop…

Great! Yeah, community would be ideal but a small company like yours is definitely wonderful, as well. As long as it's open source, it's fine by me. I see you're building on PGP, which has been historically confusing for non-tech folks, but I look forward to see what you've come up with to counter that confusion. A couple of issues: 1. Not sure if you'll be using the same server/TLS cert for your actual web-based e-m…

Thank you very much for the feedback! We won't be using the same server/cert for the API (though it does make calls to the API for registration), but have had to move the website server around a couple of times already since setting up the cert and it's likely that I cocked something up. I'll look into it ASAP.

We are going to simplify the pricing, at least for the time being. Our beta is going to be more of a pre-beta, and completely free. Supporters will be able to pre-purchase a professional plan at less than half price, but otherwise we still have a lot of kinks to iron out before we feel comfortable charging for Parley (details will all be announced Thursday).

If you want in on the pre-beta, you can either sign up for the mailing list or check back at https://parley.co on Thursday :)

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#207

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

The legalities of this are very clear-cut.

1) Intellectual property laws state that the TOX project is not infringing on any copyright unless it directly takes assets from your logo. As you can plainly see, the TOX logo was created from scratch. 2) Even if intellectual property laws did work that way (again, they don't) it's also incredibly obvious that the TOX logo concept was arrived upon totally independently of your logo.

You have no legal ground to stand on in this regard, and a shaky ethical ground considering that you somehow think you're entitled to exclusive rights to this really quite generic idea. ESPECIALLY considering you've been sitting on this idea for well over a year - as far as I know, there's no risk of this project being confused with an existing brand or idea, and there are no actual pieces of software that use this logo.

I'm sorry that you feel like this TOX logo has violated your 'generally accepted rules'. Perhaps they aren't as general as you assume?

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#208

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

All I see here is "Hey, guys, I'm kind of a big deal and I made a logo like this that I don't use, so you should change yours. I'm kind of a big deal, guys...".

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#209

Tox aims to be a secure replacement for Skype. There's several other similar projects, but they are usually hard to set up and use for an average user. Tox is FLOS software developed by community, and currently licensed under GPLv3. We are considering changing the license to something more permissive, so it would be possible to put it on the App & Win8 Stores. Currently, it is in really early stages of development. B…

>We are considering changing the license to something more permissive, so it would be possible to put it on the App & Win8 Stores.

I'd consider changing the license for other reasons. What is the GPL getting you? If your desire is to have the most people using this software to increase security, you should follow openssh's lead and use an actually free license, or even public domain.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

#210

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And another thing: /g/ in particular is known for much pointless banter arguing over the best GNU+Linux distro or giving minor tech support to non-natives of /g/. Attempts have been made before to make something substantial on the board and this time it seems we can do it.

The list of (supposedly substantial) things /g/ has made as compiled by /g/, today [1], is as follows: 1. http://aloonix.neocities.org/ 2. https://github.com/notuncivil/host-as-image [2] 3. https://github.com/KittyKatt/screenFetch 4. https://4chan-x.just-believe.in/ 5. http://tox.im/ 6. http://biebian.sourceforge.net/ The above list is in no particular order. [1] https://rbt.asia/g/thread/S35615929#p35616305 [2] Full…

screenFetch was not a product of /g/. It was around before the Author even browsed /g/.
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