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If you find this interesting, you may also like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_da_Cunha
The difference being, people can and do go to Tristan da Cunha. I know someone who's been there. They have telephones, internet access, satellite TV and a radio station.
Let’s suppose our earth is visited by aliens. Giant extraterrestial spaceships appear. They make contact, abduct a couple of humans, some of which return with strange diseases. Oh yeah, and heaps of iPads as gifts. The people that make it back speak of a strange society, where everybody is essentially a mindless part of a big mainframe, not unlike the Borg in Star Trek. One day, the aliens make contact. We try to fen…
The devil is in the details, as always. Would I want to be left alone by the Borg? Yes. But what if it was The Culture? I would be very disappointed if a civilization like that saw us and said "Oh, they probably wouldn't want all of our bullshit, leave them alone." I'm sure there are many who would disagree. The big problem with the alien analogy is our level of knowledge and language. The tribesmen are...savages. Th…
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I am curious. What is the purpose of your comment? > How long do we think this Indian protection of this island will last? Is this a rhetorical question? A call to arms so that someone "more responsible" takes over the island and helps protect the "noble savage"? Or did you want an actual response? > mafia related Italian family Did you mean the Italian mafia? Because the only references to such a thing that I can fi…
I suppose what he/she means is that they are running it like a Mafia. 'was the fact they were "Italian" supposed to count against them?' Shouldn't it? Specially in an article where uncontacted people, literally, kill people to avoid being contacted?
What now? Are you trying to say that someone being of Italian ethnicity makes them more ready to contact other people or what?
I'm pretty late to leaving a comment, so it won't get a lot of exposure. Let's just leave these people the fuck alone. What threat are they under? Curious assholes like us. There are probably less than 1000 people on that island, all descended from people tens of thousands of years ago. There are more people than that that visit an Apple store on a Tuesday before 2pm. Leave them alone. We don't need to assuage our 10…
I don't know… suppose some highly advanced aliens with for the most part benign intent found us. Would you really like them to "stay the fuck away"? I, for one, would love for our technology to leapfrog ahead centuries, even though it would completely change our culture. The disease part can be handled today. We could go visit them in hazmat suits. And I know I'm being really generous when I'm comparing the modern wo…
Individuals might want to get out and wonder as you say, but some makes a choice for them - their leaders. For one reason or another good or bad.
Just like people make choices for you and you have bare minimum say. They way your government, state government, mayor they all make choices that impact your life one way or another, some highly, some to a low degree.
>I guess all I'm saying is that not establishing contact is also a choice that we're making on their behalf. Is deciding that they can't parttake in modern society any more OK than deciding they must? Can we not contact them in a way where they get to choose?
so NO!
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Modern medicine, physics, modern housing, sanitation, plumbing, etc, etc. They have a massive amount to gain. You can romanticize their situation, or we can decide to leave them there for other reasons but claiming they have nothing to gain is just plain wrong.
So they survived 65'000 years just fine, but now suddenly we need to "help" them? I don' think they need our medicine, housing or plumbing.
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Modern medicine, physics, modern housing, sanitation, plumbing, etc, etc. They have a massive amount to gain. You can romanticize their situation, or we can decide to leave them there for other reasons but claiming they have nothing to gain is just plain wrong.
So they survived 65'000 years just fine, but now suddenly we need to "help" them? I don' think they need our medicine, housing or plumbing.
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This sort of comment is exactly what is wrong what the world. What is your expertise in this area? Are you a anthropologist?? I suspect you are just one of these sick people who like the idea mini zoos with humans in them. These are human beings. They deserve access to modern medicines like the rest of us of the world even if you lose this precious zoo. How are their women treated? That is the ones who don't die in c…
You do realize that there are massive amounts of people who are part of our world that are living in worse conditions than this tribe is? How about we focus on them first before we decide that our way of life is so superior just because a minority of us have regular access to modern medicine... I'm positive you don't need to be an anthropologist to realize this. I don't even understand the zoo reference. This is not…
Why should we focus on them? Your logic is that modern medicine is not an improvement or a factor in relieving suffering, but is only an illusion of our egotistical viewpoint. Why would it help those who are 'part of our world' that have insufficient access?
I'm pretty late to leaving a comment, so it won't get a lot of exposure. Let's just leave these people the fuck alone. What threat are they under? Curious assholes like us. There are probably less than 1000 people on that island, all descended from people tens of thousands of years ago. There are more people than that that visit an Apple store on a Tuesday before 2pm. Leave them alone. We don't need to assuage our 10…
I don't know… suppose some highly advanced aliens with for the most part benign intent found us. Would you really like them to "stay the fuck away"? I, for one, would love for our technology to leapfrog ahead centuries, even though it would completely change our culture. The disease part can be handled today. We could go visit them in hazmat suits. And I know I'm being really generous when I'm comparing the modern wo…
Most of the Australian aborigine people had walked out of the desert by the 1960's, but in 1984 a family of 9 that had lived in the desert, finally also walked out to reunite with their relatives [1]. The relatives had already lived ca. 20 years in an Australian village nearby.
When they finally saw the comfortable lifestyle their relatives had enjoyed already for 20 years, they were quite angry [2] that they had been left living in the desert, and not contacted earlier:
"They told us there was plenty of food and water came out of pipes," Yardi said.
"The older ones were angry that their long-lost relatives – who they had not seen for nearly 20 years – had left them out in the desert eating lizards while they lived in what they saw as the lap of luxury,"
"I like this life," Yardi said. "I much prefer it to the old ways."
Warlinipirri said: "I wouldn't go back."
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pintupi_Nine
[2] http://www.heraldsun.com.au/archive/news/lost-tribe-happy-in...
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I don't know… suppose some highly advanced aliens with for the most part benign intent found us. Would you really like them to "stay the fuck away"? I, for one, would love for our technology to leapfrog ahead centuries, even though it would completely change our culture. The disease part can be handled today. We could go visit them in hazmat suits. And I know I'm being really generous when I'm comparing the modern wo…
One one hand: Most of the Australian aborigine people had walked out of the desert by the 1960's, but in 1984 a family of 9 that had lived in the desert, finally also walked out to reunite with their relatives [1]. The relatives had already lived ca. 20 years in an Australian village nearby. When they finally saw the comfortable lifestyle their relatives had enjoyed already for 20 years, they were quite angry [2] tha…
The Sentinelese people (of the article) are not the only indigenous people around there, they are just on the most distant island.
On nearby larger islands there live e.g. the Jarawa [1] and Onge [2] people and some others [3].
The Jawara inhabit jungle areas of a larger island, that has also for already very long time been settled by Indian farmers. The Jarawa used to stay in the jungle, and there were occasional violent encounter and conflicts. But in 1997 the Jarawa started to make peaceful visits to nearby villages, wanting food and gifts.
The farmers see the Jarawa as a nuisance. They don't want to escalate violence, but they also don't want the Jarawa to learn that they could walk in people's homes and steal whatever they want.
Apparently [4,5] the Jarawa and Onge languages are not very well studied, either.
So, whatever anthropological, cultural and humanitarian interest anyone might have toward the un-contacted people on the North Sentinel island, they could first direct their interest and charity toward these other nearby tribes who have already had some contact with civilization for last decades or centuries, but are apparently not faring very well at the moment.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarawa_people_%28Andaman_Island...
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onge_people
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andaman_Islands#Indigenous_Anda...
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarawa_language_%28Andaman_Isla...
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The United States is 35th in infant mortality ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mor... ) - and the US is 33rd in life expectancy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expec... ). You just said you didn't know their two statistics in those categories, but a hunch may be enough to go in and shake things up for them.
As bad as the US is in those statistics, you'd expect this island to be 5 - 20 times worse looking at the range of third world countries on the list.
It would be mistaken, therefore, to assume that the same conditions would prevail in isolated places like North Sentinel Island, where the people are apparently well nourished. So the infant mortality rate there may be above the best found elsewhere, but it is probably lower than many other places.