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Re: iOS 7

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Post by joeblau »

runjake wrote: post #26
dylangs1030 wrote: post #16

I'm glad someone wrote a blog post like this. It's getting to be somewhat annoying how many people are whining about Windows Phone and Android similarities. Design and engineering decisions are not made in a vacuum. Android copies from iOS and vice versa - they each follow the cultural trends of smart design. I would much rather see blog posts like this - where the author considers the iOS in its own right instead of…

> It's getting to be somewhat annoying how many people are whining about Windows Phone and Android similarities. Design and engineering decisions are not made in a vacuum. I agree, but the similarities are being pointed out precisely because Apple (and their major pundits like Marco and Gruber) makes a big deal about how others have borrowed ideas from them. For example, the infamous "Redmond/Mountain View, start you…

> I agree, but the similarities are being pointed out precisely because Apple (and their major pundits like Marco and Gruber) makes a big deal about how others have borrowed ideas from them.

That is the primary reason I think Apple is getting so much crap. Apple claims to be the industry leading innovators; Tim Cook even said during the D11 conference "I don't like copying. It's a values thing." in reference to Samsung patent litigation. Apple partly built it's reputation on bashing the Microsoft (Switch campaign) and Android (WWDC's and MacWorlds). Now that Apple is playing catch-up in the mobile space that they essentially pioneered, they are getting the same snide back-handed remaks that they were dishing out.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by r00fus »

vacri wrote: post #196

I don't understand why one 'answer call' screen (the one with the woman) does not have a 'decline' option, and the other (with the man) does have 'decline'. How do you decline a call for the first caller? What's the difference between these two kinds of call?

If you're talking about the collage with Bridget and Max then:

Bridget is from the lockscreen (if you look closely the green button says slide to answer), and is a Phone call.

Max is a FaceTime, and is likely when the phone is unlocked. There's already a UI difference in iOS6 for these use cases.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by encoderer »

vacri wrote: post #193
dorian-graph wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not FireBeyond but I've been using iOS 7 effectively all day yesterday (I'm in Australia) on my primary phone (iPhone 5) and it's crashed to reboot maybe twice, that's all. The majority of apps I use work perfectly or have tiny things that don't and some visual aberrations. Date picker, for example, has been fine in the instances I've used it. It's very stable and there is little lag. There's a ton of small bugs…

How does 'crashed to reboot twice in a day' convert to 'it's very stable'? It's this wilful disregard of negatives that bugs me about Apple culture. The good things are lauded, the bad things are ignored, unless they're bad things in other OSes, then they're highlighted as why Apple stuff is better. It's like at my last workplace, the Apple fan who was always getting another box from Foxconn telling me that Android w…

Seriously? This is the earliest beta of this release. Only bricking twice a day sounds "pretty stable" to me.

I've had an iPhone5 since it came out and I've had one instance of needing to hard-reboot the device. Can't remember the details.

OTOH, My previous phone, a Galaxy S2, had far more issues. Multiple times in my ownership -- at least 4 that I can remember -- I literally had to remove the battery to restart the device.

In many ways I wish I had a hybrid device. The fit and finish of the hardware itself is much better from Apple. Some OS features and especially Google-provided web services are much better on Android. (Speech-to-text for one..) But having owned an Android for 2 years and an iPhone for 8 months, the iPhone is definitely, definitely more stable.

In some ways it seems like Apple v Microsoft on the desktop again. Apple controls the OS and the hardware so yes it BETTER be more stable. And it is.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by karlshea »

rralian wrote: post #198
rednukleus wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a significant group of vocal "Apple Users" who have spent a great deal of time over the last couple of years slagging off WP and Android for "bad design" and "stealing". It's to be expected that when Apple borrowed so heavily from WP and Android in this release that there are going to be strong reactions. It's perfectly normal for companies to be inspired by eachother and to incorporate the best elements of…

Maybe I don't spend enough time in the forums, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone say anything bad about windows phone, other than the lack of apps, which really isn't the fault of the OS. I've seen pretty universal praise.

Even Gruber at Daring Fireball has heaped praise on Windows Phone's design since it came out.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by adnrw »

vacri wrote: post #193
dorian-graph wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not FireBeyond but I've been using iOS 7 effectively all day yesterday (I'm in Australia) on my primary phone (iPhone 5) and it's crashed to reboot maybe twice, that's all. The majority of apps I use work perfectly or have tiny things that don't and some visual aberrations. Date picker, for example, has been fine in the instances I've used it. It's very stable and there is little lag. There's a ton of small bugs…

How does 'crashed to reboot twice in a day' convert to 'it's very stable'? It's this wilful disregard of negatives that bugs me about Apple culture. The good things are lauded, the bad things are ignored, unless they're bad things in other OSes, then they're highlighted as why Apple stuff is better. It's like at my last workplace, the Apple fan who was always getting another box from Foxconn telling me that Android w…

Can't speak for FireBeyond or dorian-graph but I too am running it on my regular, everyday iPhone 5 and have found it surprisingly stable.

Any actual crashes seem to be a result of doing too many things at once, particularly during an animation (eg: close out of an app and double-click for multitasking before the animation is finished). The crashes seem to cause a restart of the Springbord app rather than a complete system reboot, so it comes back within 10 seconds and hasn't lost any data (it even keeps the same song playing in the background).

Re: iOS 7

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Post by fudged71 »

MatthewPhillips wrote: post #96
nostromo wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a common mistake on the web to take entire groups of individuals, with varied and nuanced individual opinions, and to group them together and then complain about inconsistency and hypocrisy. People say things like, apple users are foo or the new york times is bar or americans are baz . Well, of course any large group of people with divergent opinions will be self-conflicting when examined as a whole. I understan…

We do it for 2 reasons, I think: 1) We want to broadly dismiss a group of people. 2) We want to call out people who were wrong (huge thing on the internet is not ever being wrong; nothing is worse than changing your mind), but it's too hard to keep track of everyone you disagree with, and worse you can't as easily get away with calling out an individual as you can a group.

This is pretty interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outgroup_homogeneity_bias

Re: iOS 7

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Post by sbuk »

rednukleus wrote: post #159
dionidium wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for explaining exactly what the parent's comment made me feel better than I could. If you read a bunch of different people's opinions, then you shouldn't be surprised that what you get is a bunch of different opinions . Furthermore, why is the parent so interested in this idea of "Apple Users" as a group, anyway? There isn't really any such group (or, to the extent that there is, it's a very small group).

There was a significant group of vocal "Apple Users" who have spent a great deal of time over the last couple of years slagging off WP and Android for "bad design" and "stealing". It's to be expected that when Apple borrowed so heavily from WP and Android in this release that there are going to be strong reactions. It's perfectly normal for companies to be inspired by eachother and to incorporate the best elements of…

There's cognitive bias in action. It's been about equal from both sides.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by baddox »

MatthewPhillips wrote: post #96
nostromo wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a common mistake on the web to take entire groups of individuals, with varied and nuanced individual opinions, and to group them together and then complain about inconsistency and hypocrisy. People say things like, apple users are foo or the new york times is bar or americans are baz . Well, of course any large group of people with divergent opinions will be self-conflicting when examined as a whole. I understan…

We do it for 2 reasons, I think: 1) We want to broadly dismiss a group of people. 2) We want to call out people who were wrong (huge thing on the internet is not ever being wrong; nothing is worse than changing your mind), but it's too hard to keep track of everyone you disagree with, and worse you can't as easily get away with calling out an individual as you can a group.

I don't think those are the reasons, but rather the negative side effects. I think the reason we stereotype is because historically is has been extremely advantageous, biologically/sociologically speaking, to be able to predict certains things based on someone's appearance or background.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by vacri »

r00fus wrote: post #202
vacri wrote: post #196

I don't understand why one 'answer call' screen (the one with the woman) does not have a 'decline' option, and the other (with the man) does have 'decline'. How do you decline a call for the first caller? What's the difference between these two kinds of call?

If you're talking about the collage with Bridget and Max then: Bridget is from the lockscreen (if you look closely the green button says slide to answer), and is a Phone call. Max is a FaceTime, and is likely when the phone is unlocked. There's already a UI difference in iOS6 for these use cases.

Thanks. Though it seems odd that the 'remind me later' - essentially the 'decline' - isn't particularly notable on the phone call screen. The typical scenario of being in a meeting and needing to decline a call is less facilitated by the second design than by the first, as it's not obvious where to perform the action.
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