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Re: Fork My Dongle

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Exactly. It's just a reference to an unfortunate series of events that won't be worth explaining in a month. Make it 'Fork My Repo' and I'm a buyer.

As a woman I'd probably be afraid to wear a "Fork my Repo" shirt. I think you can guess why. Just some food for thought...

As a man, I would love to wear a "Fork My Vagina" shirt and watch people gawk.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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"Things like this" aren't an issue. Dongle jokes are not a social injustice. Feminists often do a good job of identifying social injustices and when they do, it's worthwhile to treat those injustices seriously. This is not one of those times.

I've heard from many women in the last few days that they are , in fact, made uncomfortable by the overt sexualization that happens in programmer culture. This comment on MetaFilter [ http://www.metafilter.com/126184/Furore-over-sexism-being-ca... ] made its point in a way that was particularly uncomfortable for me: > Oh let's even forget code and the "fork" jargon and whatnot. Let's talk about hardware engineering.…

Let me guess, you think it's racist to have "master" and "slave" databases.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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> If anything, we've learned that there is really no effective way to establish, objectively, what is an isn't offensive. "The only winning move is not to play"

Except that in this case, the "player" is the one who's using certain words in a pejorative context, giving the implication that anybody to whom that word applies is somehow lesser because of it. This is why we don't use the words "nigger", "kike", and "faggot" as insults anymore, why calling somebody a "pussy" or "woman" for not being aggressive or assertive enough is generally frowned upon, and, yes, why casually d…

That was a very succinct and eloquent argument - thank you.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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I have a mentally handicapped son and your use of the word retarded offends me. Pick another word? (And by the way, I do agree with your premise).

As a parent, I am completely compassionate to your families situation, and obviously I was not referring in any way to you, your son, or your son's condition. So, while I can understand why that word has a personal sensitivity to you and your situation, I obviously was not directing any of its archaic meaning toward you or your son - so I can't apologize for offending you. What I can say, is that I appreciate how you…

Then you entirely got it ... this is an example of how the whole PyCon debacle should have been handled!

I should also note that I hear this frequently, and I'm careful not to "hate" anyone using that term. The word "offended" is a pretty broad word, so it's somewhere between "I'd rather not hear that" and "I challenge you to a duel".

Re: Fork My Dongle

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I've heard from many women in the last few days that they are , in fact, made uncomfortable by the overt sexualization that happens in programmer culture. This comment on MetaFilter [ http://www.metafilter.com/126184/Furore-over-sexism-being-ca... ] made its point in a way that was particularly uncomfortable for me: > Oh let's even forget code and the "fork" jargon and whatnot. Let's talk about hardware engineering.…

Let me guess, you think it's racist to have "master" and "slave" databases.

Me personally? I'm a young straight cisgendered white guy. I love dirty jokes. I like talking far nastier than mere "dongle" jokes, I assure you. I enjoy my wild and crazy give-no-fucks lifestyle.

The "master-and-slave" thing was mentioned in that MetaFilter discussion I linked you to, by the founder of MetaFilter no less! He talked about how a friend of his did find the terminology offensive, because he was black, and about how upon further consideration it was pretty easy to see why such terminology was offensive.

Does it bother me personally? No. But knowing that it might bother somebody else gives me pause, because I like to consider other people's opinions and emotions. It is not super hard to do! Listening to people is even easier than talking, all you do is stop opening your mouth for a while.

I appreciate your unnecessary sarcasm, Mr. Welch, but I'd like to ask you in turn why it's so hard to consider things that you do that might bother other people. Or to consider the very simple notion that some things are well and good to laugh at, but that laughing at other things dismisses and belittles serious issues that are worth not laughing at.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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post #204

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As a parent, I am completely compassionate to your families situation, and obviously I was not referring in any way to you, your son, or your son's condition. So, while I can understand why that word has a personal sensitivity to you and your situation, I obviously was not directing any of its archaic meaning toward you or your son - so I can't apologize for offending you. What I can say, is that I appreciate how you…

Then you entirely got it ... this is an example of how the whole PyCon debacle should have been handled! I should also note that I hear this frequently, and I'm careful not to "hate" anyone using that term. The word "offended" is a pretty broad word, so it's somewhere between "I'd rather not hear that" and "I challenge you to a duel".

Unless we find out tomorrow that samstave has been sacked and your company is under a vicious DDOS.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Really not necessary, relevant, helpful, or even funny, dude.

Perfectly aligned with the Michael Scott usage, then.

Yes, very! But do you really want to emulate a guy whose whole shtick is being wrong and unlikable every time he does anything?

I mean, literally the point of The Office is that Michael Scott is a racist, sexist bigot. And when you ironically emulate him, the result is that you kind of come off that way yourself. It's not especially pointed irony, either.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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That's what she said.

Really not necessary, relevant, helpful, or even funny, dude.

(nesting maxed)

I mean, literally the point of The Office is that Michael Scott is a racist, sexist bigot. And when you ironically emulate him, the result is that you kind of come off that way yourself. It's not especially pointed irony, either.

I said nothing racist here, just inappropriately sexualized (as the TWSS joke is intended to do).

Just trying to bring a little levity and lulz to a world of seriousness.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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You know who the target of Girls who Code are? Girls. Actual girls. Not ``going to meet some girls''(women) girls. Children. Teenagers. Teenagers who, by culture, are reluctant to approach Computer Science and other technical fields. This education group is trying to reverse this trend. RTFWebsite next time.

I did read the website. It had one sentence on it. "Dongle is a funny word. Buy this shirt and support women in tech. 100% of profits will be donated to Girls who Code." If you're targeting females, why post this to a site that is mostly comprised of men?

http://www.girlswhocode.com, not the pitch for this t-shirt.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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post #204

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Then you entirely got it ... this is an example of how the whole PyCon debacle should have been handled! I should also note that I hear this frequently, and I'm careful not to "hate" anyone using that term. The word "offended" is a pretty broad word, so it's somewhere between "I'd rather not hear that" and "I challenge you to a duel".

Unless we find out tomorrow that samstave has been sacked and your company is under a vicious DDOS.

YOU GAVE AWAY MY PLAN!
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