"More prosaically, data centres pay huge tax bills, helping fund schools, libraries and police stations."
https://news.bloombergtax.com/daily-tax-report-state/state-l...
https://www.edweek.org/technology/rising-use-of-ai-in-school...
The moral panic over data centres is foolish
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Re: The moral panic over data centres is foolish
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I stated, the quote about bitcoin is from the article. I was criticizing the article, not your statements.
thanks, it was unclear and reading is hard these days :x
To be fair to you, I probably used the second person too much when referring to the article.
Re: The moral panic over data centres is foolish
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is this any different to the invention of the cotton mill? You don't get to pick and choose what productive technologies to adopt. You either adopt them, or you'll be paying the countries that do and you'll still lose your domestic industry to competition.
It's not about whether it makes rational economic sense, it's whether people are happy about it. It could make economic sense to be the world leaders in the next drug that turns everyone into mindless worker drones ("if we're not making the factories that make the drugs the Chinese will!") but people still won't be happy about what it means for their futures.
A country who drugged their citizens into mindless robots would be shunned, sanctioned and perhaps attacked. Their economy would be isolated and not pose a threat from competition. It's an obvious attack on our collective humanity and is treated as such.
Until AI proves a systemic risk to humanity there would be no similar consensus on shunning its use, and the economic spoils go to the countries that adopt it.
Re: The moral panic over data centres is foolish
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
> data centers are purely extractive please, tell me more > people in the community, or at least in the surrounding area, will play golf there going to go out on a limb here and guess that net-net, a datacenter provides more benefits to a broader spectrum of society than a golf course does.
That is quite a limb to go out on. What is the exact value proposition of AI as it exists right now for the average person who lives where these things are being built? They don't even get jobs. With golf, they can enjoy the outdoors and escape a little bit.
Isn’t golf extremely expensive as a hobby?
Re: The moral panic over data centres is foolish
#205Re: The moral panic over data centres is foolish
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We need to use AI to redevelop AI datacenters in order to cancel the harms. This is worth money. It is worth a lot of money to solve the AI data center sustainability problem. And, solving the AI datacenter sustainability would preserve the AI value multiplier in other sustainable process redesign efforts. > We need to use AI to solve for global warming. It's actually imperative; "Global warming will exceed 1.5-deg…
We already know how to solve for climate change. All that is lacking is political will. Not AI.
Well, perhaps a thought experiment about this then:
- One person lives in a world where people have applied AI (the smartest tech we have) to solving for datacenter impact and broader climate change objectives.
- The other lives in a world where they use AI to expensively generate infotainment videos (and for example statements about lack of political will) but not solutions that solve for cost and sustainability.