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Something tells me the people misusing the SSN would just misuse this new national ID number too. Wasn't the issue that people were treating knowledge of the (de facto public) ID number as proof of identity? Nothing is stopping them from doing the same with any future ID number.
Ironically, a certain level of secrecy is worse than having them fully public, because it leads people to (wrongly) design systems and processes that trust it or assume something from it. All else being equal, I'd rather see national ID numbers which are so incredibly obviously un-secret that, at least on their own, they're nothing except a tool for avoiding overlaps and collisions.
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#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well.. yea, because it's the US that creates the list, and they don't know or understand that systems like ID numbers exists.
Americans use their social security numbers like id numbers in all sorts of systems. This problem has nothing to do with id numbers.
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well.. yea, because it's the US that creates the list, and they don't know or understand that systems like ID numbers exists.
Or they understand that ID numbers are a less than perfect way to identify people. I’m applying for a second citizenship. That means that I can have two national ids that are unlinked. In the US, you can petition to have your SSN number changed, as well, so that doesn’t work. If you are willing to commit crimes and lie, it isn’t that hard to spin up an entirely new identity. Some people are born to parents that don’t…
I'm sorry what? A second citizenship to the same country?
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or they understand that ID numbers are a less than perfect way to identify people. I’m applying for a second citizenship. That means that I can have two national ids that are unlinked. In the US, you can petition to have your SSN number changed, as well, so that doesn’t work. If you are willing to commit crimes and lie, it isn’t that hard to spin up an entirely new identity. Some people are born to parents that don’t…
> I’m applying for a second citizenship. I'm sorry what? A second citizenship to the same country ?
I won’t have two unlinked national ids to the same country, I would have a national id in two countries.
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What happens when they lose it? What happens when someone else gets a copy of the private key? What happens when every app, website, and mobile OS requires a signature for every single post or message, tying all communication to an identity that the government can retaliate against? This creates many more problems than it solves.
The private key would be generated and stored on the most secure hardware security modules like how AWS stores many billions of symetric and asymmetric keys.
or do you mean HSMs in the possession of the user? what happens when they lose it, or the device is stolen?
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> I’m applying for a second citizenship. I'm sorry what? A second citizenship to the same country ?
A different country. Many countries allow their citizens to be a citizen of other countries. I won’t have two unlinked national ids to the same country, I would have a national id in two countries.
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#207Something like this happened to me and it has cost me $20k+ over time, https://areoform.wordpress.com/2021/08/06/on-apples-expanded... Mercury unblocked my accounts because their founder is a very kind man who bothered to verify what the document actually says rather than falling back to, "Computer says no." But everywhere else? De nada. Computer says no. And it's not even me. It's a fuzzy match with someone in their…
"The evil, I can tolerate; but the stupidity..." -Hubert Farnsworth
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
What happens when they lose it? What happens when someone else gets a copy of the private key? What happens when every app, website, and mobile OS requires a signature for every single post or message, tying all communication to an identity that the government can retaliate against? This creates many more problems than it solves.
I agree and believe revocation is the most important problem. With services requiring it, you can just not use them: as long as it does not get mandated (unfortunately, a direction we are heading in), hopefully market self-regulates and privacy conserving options win. Yes, we all know that's not how that movie plays out :)
Try existing in the USA for a month with no phone number.
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A government may have entirely benign reasons for creating a comprehensive population database, but you cannot guarantee who will control that database later. You have to trust the people who control it, not only now, but at all times in the future, but history does not support that. Nazi Germany and occupied forces used census data, municipal population registers, etc., to identify and track down targeted people. Th…
Are you aware that pretty much every developed country has such database? Even the US, its guaranteed US 3 letters agencies have such comprehensive population databases