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Post by hulitu »

izacus wrote: post #145
perks_12 wrote: post #109

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Take a look at how they play with regards to chat control. The EU is just the same corrupt BS like D.C., only with a lot more virtue signaling.

A parliamentary process where a law is being proposed, amended and voted upon isn't "corruption". Just because you disagree with a law, that doesn't make it "corruption" - it does make you an authoritarian that attacks democracy as soon as other people don't vote like you want.

> A parliamentary process where a law is being proposed, amended and voted upon isn't "corruption".

If the law is initiated by the parliament and not by some company through lobby. Lobby is corruption.

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Post by nalekberov »

Lio wrote: post #198
sneak wrote: post #131

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Nah, it’s just more visible. It’s not that much of a sea change. And it’s ridiculously naive to pretend that the major countries in Europe don’t have their own mechanisms to regularly and effectively bypass any democratic inconveniences when necessary. They regularly push through things that no constituent would ever want or vote for.

Trump just dropped the part of his lawsuit against the BBC where he claimed it damaged his business because he would have to expose what his business is. The Trump regime a way more corrupt than anything currently seen in Europe. He currently attempting to steal Greenland so he can strip it of mineral assets for fucks sack. No politician in Europe is starting wars for personal gain. Only Trump and Putin. https://www.…

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Post by usr1106 »

inigyou wrote: post #161
kisamoto wrote: post #75

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Does this still apply if there are separate legal entities for US & EU operations? Take Hetzner as an example. They have a separate US company to deal with their US data center. Would their EU servers be vulnerable to the CLOUD Act?

The relevant fact about Hetzner is that it's an EU company with US branch, not a US company with an EU branch.

No. Did you read the OVH story linked by user kvemkom? https://www.heise.de/en/news/Canadian-Court-OVHcloud-from-Fr...

A difference could be that Germany might not have such blocking law as France. At least I have never heard of it.

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Post by jq-r »

Silhouette wrote: post #186
dubbel wrote: post #185

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They should vote for parties that are not organized in the EPP (European people's party). The exact party options depend on the country you're voting in.

And what would happen next to ensure that von der Leyen was removed from office? It is worth remembering at this point how von der Leyen first became Commission President. She was controversially nominated by the European Council - who are not directly elected representatives within the EU system - deviating from the spitzenkandidat convention in a way that surprised and angered many MEPs - who are. Her own national…

As one of the most openly corrupted Croatian politician is Von Der Leyen's commissioner, it tells me all I need to know about her choices and influence.

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Post by [deleted] »

atmosx wrote: post #43
jacquesm wrote: post #9

EU data regions are a reflexive action by companies that try to hold on to their EU customers (and more and more are leaving, surprisingly the larger ones seem to be leading here). Realize that as long as you are still hosted on US owned infrastructure or that if there are US (or: five-eyes) owned companies anywhere in the stack your data can still be forcibly pulled and often without you being aware that this happen…

That’s true and Fastmail runs on AWS. But it’s a start and a “feature” many have requested for years. It’s funny because the HQ and I believe their workforce is located in Australia.

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Post by doener »

hinata08 wrote: post #121
doener wrote: post #119

As long as the company's legal headquarters are in the U.S., U.S. agencies have access to the data under the Cloud Act—and non-U.S. citizens have absolutely no legal recourse when it comes to U.S. services

their HQ is supposed to be in Melbourne, Australia They mention it only briefly in their publication. Their about page is clearer about that.

Ah, thanks for the hint! Probably better than, but still Five Eyes. The legal details I‘m not aware of in this case.

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Post by dwedge »

gertop wrote: post #134
dwedge wrote: post #124

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I started using tuta until I realised they don't support IMAP. Something to do with not guaranteeing encryption (which isn't even enabled by default) but has the convenient effect of locking you into their apps

Tuta is always encrypted I don't know where you got the impression that it was optional or that they could somehow magically make it work over IMAP without a bridge like proton.

> Tuta does not support the use of third-party email clients or the protocols IMAP/POP3/SMTP as we cannot guarantee end-to-end encryption of your data.

So it "breaks end to end encryption" even with smtps and imaps apparently. The few emails I received weren't from tutamail users so presumably came over SMTP.

It's confusing to know what they mean because they confuse terms. They say emails are "stored end to end encrypted".

They don't pass my smell test

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Post by jurgenburgen »

sph wrote: post #180
jeffparsons wrote: post #166

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> just stops shy of asking Australian tech companies, like Fastmail, to build backdoors into their products so that the government can "legally access" data from them It stops just short of saying that you must do this preemptively , but is pretty clear that you must do it if they ask you to.

Why do I never hear about this ‘feature’ from American products like gmail which 99% of the HN audience is using? Isn’t USA a member of Five Eyes? I admit it is a concern, as a Fastmail user, but this discussion only seems to happen on the Fastmail threads, yet no one bats an eye if one is suggested to open a gmail account like everybody else.

> Why do I never hear about this ‘feature’ from American products like gmail which 99% of the HN audience is using? Isn’t USA a member of Five Eyes?

Not sure why you haven’t heard about it but US Cloud Act is a big reason for EU companies not trusting US companies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act

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Post by FireInsight »

dwedge wrote: post #124
tumdum_ wrote: post #108

Or you can just use any of the actual European companies (I’m using Tuta). https://european-alternatives.eu/category/email-providers

I started using tuta until I realised they don't support IMAP. Something to do with not guaranteeing encryption (which isn't even enabled by default) but has the convenient effect of locking you into their apps

https://mailbox.org/ is great. It's the only provider recommended by privacyguides.org that supports IMAP/SMTP.

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Post by jurgenburgen »

Silhouette wrote: post #186
dubbel wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should vote for parties that are not organized in the EPP (European people's party). The exact party options depend on the country you're voting in.

And what would happen next to ensure that von der Leyen was removed from office? It is worth remembering at this point how von der Leyen first became Commission President. She was controversially nominated by the European Council - who are not directly elected representatives within the EU system - deviating from the spitzenkandidat convention in a way that surprised and angered many MEPs - who are. Her own national…

I think the EU should be reformed in a more democratic direction, no question about that.

Still, calling the system undemocratic is a stretch since anyone who pays attention can see how EU policies have shifted after the far right increased the number of their seats in the previous election. Climate ambition has been dialed way down and immigration is being curtailed.

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