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Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by NamlchakKhandro »

luciana1u wrote: post #54

we put a router model in front of two other models so the router can decide which model is better at deciding things. next we'll need a router for the router and eventually the entire internet is just routers routing routers to other routers

"Information Retrieval is where it's at" Buttle said to Tuttle.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by byzantinegene »

HDBaseT wrote: post #139
replatformradar wrote: post #135

If only you could run K3 locally that would be the magic bullet to make it a true magic bullet!

Until Kimi 4 comes out and you'd be like "if only you could run Kimi 4 locally" Everyone wants the latest and greatest.

until they put their money where their mouth is

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by culi »

ralusek wrote: post #36
nharada wrote: post #28

Is there something specifically with Kimi that's better here? As far as I know Kimi pricing is about the same as Sonnet 5 -- what happens if you use that model and Fable instead? Or Grok 4.5 which is even cheaper?

One benefit of an open source one is that you can, as a large corporation, run it "locally" within your own data center. Even fine tune it.

There are very few companies that would ever be able to afford to run it themselves. But it does give you the security that it's technically possible. Puts some limits on stuff like Moonshot changing their terms/conditions/policies

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by aftbit »

apatheticonion wrote: post #83
copperx wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What don't you like about the service, besides the mark up?

For me, the only utility OpenRouter gives me is billing consolidation - I don't really need the routing capabilities because I use Bifrost for that. As a router, it's not very feature rich. For example I restricted the available models to the ones I want to use however the `/models` endpoint still lists all the models, making my LLM client list the 200+ models available on the service (even though they will throw an…

Can you configure Bifrost using entirely config files without the web interface? Can it run without a database or anything stateful? I'm using LiteLLM but it is not trivial to run.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by bdcravens »

jshen wrote: post #192
__float wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They wanted capitalism, no? Here's the competition in the market.

Is kimi making a profit? How subsidized is it by the Chinese government?

Is that any worse than being subsidized by VC? They're playing the same game as the western labs, just with slightly different players.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by culi »

softwaredoug wrote: post #161
Aboutplants wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So China is now only 4 months behind US frontier models now when the rule of thumb was 6 months just a little while ago.

To be fair the lag varies tremendously. When Deepseek first came out it was competitive with frontier lab models at the time.

Well the same is true for Kimi. Before it, Fable was at the lead. Kimi is at the same level as Fable generally. Sometimes better, sometimes worse.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by ignoramous »

hmokiguess wrote: post #106

What's the data governance and privacy controls on using Kimi K3 if I subscribe to their coding plans? I want to migrate away from Anthropic

Simplest way is to signup to OpenRouter and filter out all non ZDR (zero data retention) providers. Paying "API rates" however can prove expensive compared to coding plans (for instance, MiniMax $20/mo coding plan allows 1.7b tokens; depending on input/output/cache ratio, it is worth $200 to $500+), except for Hy3, DeepSeek v4 Pro, and MiMo v2.5 Pro (whose API rates are cheap and/or discounted already).

If you're looking to not have to deal with Chinese providers, AtlasCode ($20/mo), OpenCode Go ($10/mo), and Cline Pass ($10/mo) provide 2x to 6x usage for some of the popular open weights (depending on the model).

Personally, I subscribe to Z.ai ($17/mo), and pay API rates for MiMo v2.5, Hy3, Qwen 3.7 Plus, & DeepSeek v4 to the original providers (Xiaomi, Tencent, Alibaba, & DeepSeek).

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by culi »

broodbucket wrote: post #165
danny_codes wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It released in June..

To the public. Mythos has been in active use for quite a while.

It makes no good sense to evaluate models we don't have access to. For all we know K3 was competitive back then too. Or maybe there's a K4 in the works that blows everything out of the water. Who knows and who cares. There's no way for us to compare

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by captainregex »

I enjoy all the fun of these new models as much as the next guy but I truly don’t see a circumstance in the near future where my $200 a month with the frontier labs doesn’t get me more than enough consumption of what I need. Local models, chinese models, etc are all very fun weekend projects to tinker with but until something changes (entirely possible!) with how much you get with one of the subscriptions I just don’t see why I would move. What am I missing? Is it simply that a subscription is no good for production use cases? I kinda feel the same way with choice of coding harness, openrouter, etc. why would I use anything other than frontier if I don’t have to pay any more pretty much no matter how much I use? pls tell me if I am holding this wrong haha
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