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Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by throwitaway222 »

ryandrake wrote: post #190
engineer_22 wrote: post #188

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Joe Piston probably has enough on his plate flying his 2-seater without global 1Gbps entertainment-on-demand or executing trades on his brokerage account while his team of financiers crunch the numbers in row 2. Starlink Aviation has 2 General Aviation tiers at $200/mo and $1,000/mo, 3 business tiers, $4000/mo, $12,500/mo, $20,000/mo, and negotiable “Fleet” pricing for commercial and government. https://starlink.com/…

Of course a pilot is not going to trading stocks while flying, but there are plenty of safety reasons to have in-cockpit connectivity, including weather, notams, long-range comms with their destination, and so on. Not to mention convenient Internet for a passenger on a long flight, who themselves might want to trade their stocks. These use cases are approximately competing with SiriusXM weather, which has price tiers…

Some of these Cesnas have 4 seats. Wife in copilot seat on an ipad, and the kids in the back playing COD on their Steam Decks.

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Post by Alpha3031 »

scottyah wrote: post #169
Alpha3031 wrote: post #111

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Why in the world would any MNO or WISP choose satellite backhaul for urban areas when their next tower is presumably only a few kilometres over (as opposed to tens of kilometres in more regional areas)?

I don't know, that's an interesting, albeit unrelated question. Do you have an answer?

How is the question of "how satellite backhaul is useful in urban areas" unrelated to your implicit thesis that satellite backhaul is useful in urban areas?

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Post by 7e »

theturtletalks wrote: post #107
throwitaway222 wrote: post #73

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Starlink should probably reverse course on this however, it's one thing to pay 10k for up to 20 guests on a small private jet vs a company like Delta with a fleet of 747s. Charge Delta 20k, charge this guy 10k.

Why would they not charge as much as possible? Who else is launching satellites? He’s got one of the biggest moats I’ve ever seen.

Amazon Leo has about 350 in orbit now, on their way to 7,500.

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

wat10000 wrote: post #198
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #179

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> congestion surcharge I can't wait until our urban cable-modem and DSL providers pick up those "congestion surcharge" ideas! (FCC tariffs prevent this, right?)

They've generally chosen to go with bandwidth caps and throttling instead. Different ways of managing the shared resource. I'm not really sure what people want here. Capacity is limited. They're adding more as fast as they can, to the point that they've launched more satellites than everyone else has combined in history. But it takes time. Until capacity meets demand, there are going to be limitations, one way or ano…

Back in the day when analog modems were becoming obsolete, there was a hue and cry from broadband enthusiasts that cable modem technology was inferior infrastructure. These folks all agreed that DOCSIS and cable modems would suffer crippling congestion in neighborhoods. That your cable modem's bandwidth would be shared bandwidth, shared on a medium with all your neighbors up to that head-end, and that this shared medium would inevitably be oversold many times over, and that cable-modem ISPs could never possibly meet bandwidth demands on these local networks.

In contrast, DSL technology was sold as "never congested, never shared": that is, your copper pairs would wire up directly to the wire center, and have a dedicated connection into the ISP's backbone (and that ISP was experienced in telecommunications, rather than the entertainment industry) and therefore, DSL was always superior due to its lack of shared mediums.

It was a weird argument, because inevitably, every provider's core network is shared to some degree, and cable modems really have not suffered congestion beyond the ordinary. Conversely, DSL also had its strategies for aggregation, overselling, and shared media. But a lot of people believed those stories about topology myths.

Personally, I switched from ADSL to cable modem over 18 years ago, and I haven't regretted it. Very stable, always available and reliable, and plenty of bandwidth to spare, for my applications.

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Post by consumer451 »

huslage wrote: post #59
w10-1 wrote: post #44

Note that the objection is as much to the abruptness as the scale of the price increase. Large customers sinking millions into (here aviation) assets rightly expect that their vendors respect their market lifecycles. Starlink's behavior creates a credibility gap that could drive such customers to the 2-3 upcoming competitors with poorer service and even higher costs, but perhaps more reliability as partners. I'd see…

The "upcoming" is doing a lot of work. There is not currently a viable alternative to Starlink with the same capability, speed, or latency. Amazon Leo will be the next to go online and it won't be fully operational until sometime in 2028. No one in the aviation industry will want to wait for that.

Delta and JetBlue appear to be waiting for Amazon Leo, and it seems to be coming online in 2027, not 2028.

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Post by verzali »

theturtletalks wrote: post #107
throwitaway222 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Starlink should probably reverse course on this however, it's one thing to pay 10k for up to 20 guests on a small private jet vs a company like Delta with a fleet of 747s. Charge Delta 20k, charge this guy 10k.

Why would they not charge as much as possible? Who else is launching satellites? He’s got one of the biggest moats I’ve ever seen.

There are quite a few providers of inflight wifi via satellite (or even cellular towers). Speeds are not usually as high as Starlink but it is ridiculous to say they have zero competition.

You also have Amazon building a constellation, OneWeb with one already in place (though not available for retail customers), and a Chinese one under construction.

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Post by verzali »

throwitaway222 wrote: post #201
ryandrake wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course a pilot is not going to trading stocks while flying, but there are plenty of safety reasons to have in-cockpit connectivity, including weather, notams, long-range comms with their destination, and so on. Not to mention convenient Internet for a passenger on a long flight, who themselves might want to trade their stocks. These use cases are approximately competing with SiriusXM weather, which has price tiers…

Some of these Cesnas have 4 seats. Wife in copilot seat on an ipad, and the kids in the back playing COD on their Steam Decks.

Whats the point of taking passengers if they aren't going to be paying attention. Leave them on the ground and take someone who actually enjoys the experience.

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Post by verzali »

naturalmovement wrote: post #136
ben_w wrote: post #116

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A few days ago people were telling me the Starlink was brilliant because it gave small African villages with no mains electricity an internet connection to share. This kind of behaviour does rather dampen the value proposition for such people.

Do you think tech bros who voluntarily choose to live in the woods should pay the same subsidized price as a rural African schoolhouse? Equity and all that.

I don't think Mr Musk cares, do u?
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