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Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by dghlsakjg »

Yizahi wrote: post #186
dghlsakjg wrote: post #112

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Why are people so convinced that we need an EV charger per car at every home? We need enough high speed chargers in the right places. The average American drives 37 miles per day. That pencils out to less than 30 minutes of charging per week using current high speed standards (which will continue to drop). Your friend could take their car at 20% if they knew that they could charge quickly at their destination. We don…

> Why are people so convinced that we need an EV charger per car at every home? > After a week of just running the 1.5 kw slow charger I realized that was fine. Wait, did you tell that you were using EV charger at home actually? I'm confused by the wording.

Yeah. My point is that I never bothered to install anything more than the super slow free charger that came with the car.

If you have a good fast charger network available you don’t really need to have a 240v charger or even a charger at all.

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by AngryData »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #188
fragmede wrote: post #143

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> overall it's a better model than public housing. I don't know about better, but it's what we've got. The problem is a shortage of housing, and the government building housing solves for that because the public market has been shown to be incompetent at that.

mostly because the state has made it illegal or costly to build housing. The only reason the state would do better is if they can ignore either costs or their own regulation. e

Part of the problem is also the margins to support the top heavy capital class (and the restrictions and permits also favor the capital class). The same reason auto manufacturers put more effort into making expensive luxury cars instead of cheap commuter cars.

Why would someone build cheap houses that would net them the same profit in 10 years as building luxury houses that would in 5 years? Especially if the people on top investing the capital only deal with the accounting books and not actual customers and their desires.

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by itsmek »

sensanaty wrote: post #185
fnordian_slip wrote: post #175

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Why do so many otherwise seemingly rational people pretend that nuclear is the answer to our energy needs? It doesn't make sense economically, it's just wishful thinking. The only cheap nuclear energy is from plants that have already been built, because it won't help if we tear them down. But as soon as you factor in the costs of building, insurance and storage of materials, it's always more expensive than renewables…

I don't think anyone reasonable is saying we should only do nuclear. The actual position is that we need a mix of both nuclear and renewables while ramping down non-renewable sources as fast as possible, because you need both intermittent cheap generation and reliable baseload that doesn't care if the wind stops blowing or clouds roll over the panels. The pricing story remains unconvincing to me. LCOE comparisons mea…

>Why do so many otherwise seemingly rational people pretend that nuclear is the answer to our energy needs?

>I don't think anyone reasonable is saying we should only do nuclear.

I didn't interpret the other post to imply only nuclear. I interpreted to mean "why do so many people think nuclear is better than battery". My understanding is that LCOS+LCOE for batt+solar is quite close to nuclear cost and will only go down further, plus it has the advantage of being safer in the catastrophic case.

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by IshKebab »

xyzsparetimexyz wrote: post #180

I don't get why its hard to find electricity for data centers. Just build them where its cheap, like the deserts in China and stuff. Duh.

Yeah like, doesn't Texas have plenty of land available for solar? Why isn't the Nevada desert filled with solar panels?

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by alightsoul »

kulahan wrote: post #200
fnordian_slip wrote: post #175

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Why do so many otherwise seemingly rational people pretend that nuclear is the answer to our energy needs? It doesn't make sense economically, it's just wishful thinking. The only cheap nuclear energy is from plants that have already been built, because it won't help if we tear them down. But as soon as you factor in the costs of building, insurance and storage of materials, it's always more expensive than renewables…

Why do people create this false narrative that renewables and nuclear somehow aren’t the same thing? Why do people pretend that nuclear is not a solution to our energy needs? Why do they seem addicted to pretending the absolute worst alternatives, like solar and wind, are going to be the solution? The only forms of power generation worth a shit are hydro, geothermal, and nuclear. Geothermal and hydro are geographical…

Why are we convinced base load power is the only option? Plenty of countries are successfully running grid scale energy storage with batteries

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by michaelmrose »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #197
michaelmrose wrote: post #116

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How many is enough is a complicated thing though. You don't need there to be as many pumps as cars because there is enough everywhere that you know with certainty that you can find one any given time within 15 minutes and be refueled in 5. If you have a charger or as many chargers at your apartment for the number of electric cars you know you are going to be able to charge with certainty. If you have some small numbe…

Whenever I’m in a hurry the local gas stations are swamped. Twenty minutes is common, thirty minutes not uncommon. A month ago the pump we were on was broken and had to get my money back and abandon the attempt. Had no more than ten minutes to fuel and couldn’t do it. See, we can apply the same brand of defeatism to anything.

Do you live in any extremely poor and rural area this isn't the experience for 99.9% of Americans where stations are plentiful and waits are 0-2 minutes

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by alightsoul »

rconti wrote: post #68

Remember when we didn't have enough electricity for electric cars?

Yeah seemingly this is not a problem with data centers. I am sure it was astroturfing all along. Also you never hear about climate change even though that's the cause of the heat wave in Europe and the US

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by linkregister »

vasco wrote: post #172
qlte wrote: post #70

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> plus the wind generators are ruining every single landscape we have. This feels, uh, wildly overstated.

For people that stay inside all day on the computer I can see why

Loses argument, insults commenter

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by mixmastamyk »

michaelmrose wrote: post #206
mixmastamyk wrote: post #197

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Whenever I’m in a hurry the local gas stations are swamped. Twenty minutes is common, thirty minutes not uncommon. A month ago the pump we were on was broken and had to get my money back and abandon the attempt. Had no more than ten minutes to fuel and couldn’t do it. See, we can apply the same brand of defeatism to anything.

Do you live in any extremely poor and rural area this isn't the experience for 99.9% of Americans where stations are plentiful and waits are 0-2 minutes

Yes, southern california.

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by mixmastamyk »

michaelmrose wrote: post #198
mixmastamyk wrote: post #195

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Doesn’t matter, go to a charging station once every two weeks if/when charging gets behind. If you’re determined to fail instead of succeed there’s always more excuses to be made. There’s a good tech connections series on this. Slow home charging has been doable for quite a while.

It's doable for single family detached housing for users with a modest daily drive and relatively flat usage patterns so long as they can afford to pay a premium on the car and replace it in a timely fashion when the battery gets sufficiently old that its capacity continues to match peaks in usage with the understanding that failure to keep up means you don't get to work on time or can't get home. Which is exactly wh…

Nope, our 1970s apartment garage has 120V outlets and light fixtures, some have been tapped, and the rest could cheaply.
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