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IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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The ironic ending of the blog post is interesting. He's running Ubuntu... on a MacBook Pro. Even if you hate the software and all things iOS, it's hard to find a better designed laptop.

See, my only thought at that was "Really? Ubuntu? C'mon, pick a better Linux Distro!" As much as I love the idea behind Ubuntu, it really cannot compare to OS X (or, for development, a more nerd-centric Linux distro like Arch)

I gave up on arch after six or seven hours trying to get my sound card, pulseaudio and skype to work together.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Same here. I'm typing this on a macbook pro that I'm currently sucking data off onto my x220 running Arch. Similar setup. That msata bay rocks with an SSD in it, eh? FWIW, specs say 8gb max but I've got 16gb ticking away in it nicely. You're probably aware of that but worth posting here for others if they are interested. One of the best laptop keyboards I've used.

If I have to buy another laptop again, it'll be a Thinkpad. Nice to hear its solid.

I switched about 3 years back. I was using PB12 then and PowerPC was already on its way out. I figured that if I have to get new software anyway, I may switch the platforms as well.

The Thinkpad T400 I got is still a good machine, 3 years later. So good, that my brother bought himself Thinkpad X230 and is satisfied as well.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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You know, I was so happy when I discovered HN. It is normally such a refreshing respite from all the other tech blogs and aggregators, and from /r/tech in particular. But over the past few weeks I keep seeing vapid, information-less articles like this make it to the front page, and it's pretty disappointing to see happen. The knee-jerk anti-Apple sentiments seem to have infected even this (mostly) austere and conside…

It's not a temporary thing, and in fact had been going on for a few years now. We are currently in the phase of blatant link bait self posted blogs gaming the front page. Prior to this tend for the past year or so, there was the "rah-rah look at this cool startup and secretly plug my own" phase. The current one will likely continue until a big bust or something else comes along. Likely the latter.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#204

The ironic ending of the blog post is interesting. He's running Ubuntu... on a MacBook Pro. Even if you hate the software and all things iOS, it's hard to find a better designed laptop.

"Even if you hate the software and all things iOS, it's hard to find a better designed laptop."

I think this was the case for most of the 2000's, and a big reason my last few laptops have been Macs -- but I'm not so sure it's that way any more. For a long time, the big PC OEM's seemed to view hardware specs as the main difference people would buy a $1500 laptop over a $500 one, so they just stuck better hardware inside the $500 shell. Nowadays I think they've caught on that people pay attention to design and overall build quality.

It might still be hard to find a better designed laptop, but I think the PC OEM's are finally starting to make some that can at least compete.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Full Disclosure: I'm an Apple user that has been criticizing them for the last few years for a variety of things but...

This article (at least the first half) comes down to:

Apple makes products that don't suit me (okay, so don't buy an iPad).

Apple has glued their new screens to the metal (Is this really that big of a deal?).

Apple uses proprietary screws (This has been done for years)

There are lots of things in the curated Mac App Store that are of no use to him (So don't use the App Store or don't buy apps that are useless to you)

In the comments, the OP admits that he will continue to use Apple hardware because it is the best but will run Linux (Apple makes their money off hardware sales, so its of no loss to them).

There are many reasons to criticize Apple lately, I just don't see these reasons as having merit.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Except they did their very best to just make their 'premium' products a blatant money-grab and little else. Despite plunking down a pretty penny for premium brands or product lines, Dell and Sony would still nickel and dime you with LOADS of pre-installed crapware. (No experience with other manufacturers' 'premium' lines..) Of course they gave up -- it is bloody annoying to buy an expensive piece of hardware and then…

Not trying hard enough should never be an excuse. They failed, and to be fair, most have failed. The fact of the matter is that is hard to dominate your market, everybody will downplay your success. And nobody will ever give credit to your product, or to your strategy, or to your business. It's always luck, customers with more money than brains, deception. The iPod, the iPhone, the iPad. They were all flukes in histo…

Either you're seeing an argument that I'm not making, or you're replying to the wrong comment..?

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Users can disable the check.

That's a nonanswer; the majority of users does not know what the hell that is, and the people that do are going to think twice about disabling system-wide security to run some app.

I wasn't taking a side. I already expressed worry about it. I answered the question the best I could. Nowhere do I seek to dispel concern about Apple becoming more closed, in fact, that was kind of my lead in...

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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I think that's a very specific definition which supports the argument but I don't really see any justification for that over, say, those who climbed on around the launch of the iPod or the iPhone. The views and expectations of those people would paint a very different picture. There are plenty of Apple fan boys (I'm using the term in a non-prejorative way indicentally, I've got three Apple devices on my desk right no…

I don't think it's useless. The fan boy phenomenon (of any type) is one of the more difficult and frustrating things in tech to deal with. Somebody who likes some company a lot, and buys their gadgets and thinks the stuff the company makes is swell, but is able to afford the fact that their company does do things wrongly sometimes is not a fan boy -- they're a fan and I don't think anybody has a problem with fans. Pe…

I don't think we disagree that many of the people who are termed fan boys add little but noise, but my problem is in accurately identifying them and in particular in then ascribing a single common world view and set of motivations to them as was being done in the thread above.

Plus being an apologist doesn't mean that you can't make a good point. Gruber could often be accurately described as an Apple apologist but I'd strongly take issue with the idea that he couldn't add to a debate on Apple. Similarly RMS when it comes to open source/freedom and others across the spectrum.

As with anything, argue with the point being made, not with the person, at least until you're absolutely sure you know them and where they're coming from far better than you're likely to through occasional interact on an internet message board.

And that's before we even get into the pejorative nature of the phrase "fan boy" and how you might as well just call someone a dick for the reaction you're likely to provoke.

Yes it's an interesting phenomenon but in terms of dealing with people who I may think are fan boys, I see no reason why there should be any reason why I should treat fan boys differently than I'd try to treat anyone else - that is take what they say at face value and engage them on that basis, or ignore them completely.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#209

Quite honestly, this kind of post just makes me want to hurl. The OP was NEVER the target market for Apple, it just so happened that Apple's design choices coincided with his or her needs. If you ever thought Apple's primary target market was uber-geeks, you were seriously deluding yourself. The reason so many of us were drawn to OSX was that it runs Mach BSD under the hood - so yay, we all get a nice convenient UNIX…

I'm amazed it took so long for someone to make this point. That was going to be my only response: "Yes, you're right. You're not the target market. End of Story."

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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What does that even mean? Is HN supposed to be a medium for the preservation of some kind of philosophical balance of power between operating systems and hardware vendors? Shame on me for thinking it was a medium to report on technology and the startup scene all along :-/ It's really sad to see how every.single.time community driven websites devolve into ideological crusades between people who can't seem to just acce…

To be honest I have seen the same happen here as on other sites. The community seems to pass through phases with its view about a company. From initial interest, near blind loyalty, to OMG WTF they are evil. This happens with individuals in tech too, though there are examples where many end up redeemed in the eyes of the community. Apple began inching into the OMG WTF EVIL category awhile back for some and others eve…

You imply that "the community" changed opinions... but "the community" is not a person. It's not necessarily minds that change rather than the people. The readers of HN are the teenagers of yesterday, who have never stopped disliking Apple.
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