The point they're making is that it's hard to find purely European alternatives. Part of the problem is that companies don't advertise when they somehow still depend on American infra.
Does it need to be infra only? Is there also a risk by using go/rust/java etc? Like some of those projects are hosted on US sites? During Iran conflict access to US sites was cut (GitHub/NPM/Maven etc is hosted on US entities). To be really independent would mean much more I guess. Even languages who were invented in Europe are mostly dependent on US entities.
The EU keeps trying to manifest the missing european data infrastructure via data regulation instead of outright bans and limits on american companies, the way China did it.
The headline is that the US Supreme Court broke the deal that made this work, the EU was perfectly fine with an independent organization managing the problem. Blaming the EU for asking for some basic sanity is ???
I find it hilarious that the potential effect on EU law didn’t factor into the arguments in this case on either side. I’m not sure anybody involved even knew that the EU relied on FTC independence. Not that it’s relevant to the legal question.
As a European citizen I do not trust entities located in the US to not abuse my private data ever since the patriot act. If it was me that deal would have never came to be. If some EU entity decides to use Microsoft 365 can Microsoft guarantee that it won't give access to one US government agency or another? It really can't. Because if that EU entity wants to act in accordance with EU law, this matters. This is what…
> Public Money, Public Code This seems like a very good principle to adhere to in general. Anything that is funded by the public needs to serve the public interest, in my opinion. Putting public money into e.g. proprietary software and proprietary services that are then operated and gated by a few selected companies, for profit, with their only goal being the rent seeking via long term government contracts, is in my…
I'm not sure why the OP didn't provide the link to the petition: https://publiccode.eu
> I don't disagree with the linked-to analysis. I meant that it's ok for you and me to disagree. > I don't know what your point is My point is this: Shrems III may or may not be filed, if and when it's filed the relevant court may or may not decide to review it, if they decide to proceed they may reach many different conclusions, one of the possible outcomes being a blow-up in the EU-US data transfers. Then we will w…
When someone says "China blew up its own future" as at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47850045 and presents an argument based on decreasing birth rates as a consequence of previous policies, of course that's a prediction about the future written in past perfect tense. When The Atlantic has an article with subtitle "How X blew up its own platform with a new location feature", linked at https://news.ycombinator.c…
Yes, other sensationalised headlines exist and some of them get posted here, this is not the only one trying make a point which is not proven yet.
The point they're making is that it's hard to find purely European alternatives. Part of the problem is that companies don't advertise when they somehow still depend on American infra.
Does it need to be infra only? Is there also a risk by using go/rust/java etc? Like some of those projects are hosted on US sites? During Iran conflict access to US sites was cut (GitHub/NPM/Maven etc is hosted on US entities). To be really independent would mean much more I guess. Even languages who were invented in Europe are mostly dependent on US entities.
Switching to EU companies is often the solution, but also we're in a tricky position in Europe since alternatives exist but can't compete with US. So finding European alternatives is possible but hard. Also EU is doing its job enforcing privacy and anti-competition laws but then American companies just say "feature not available in EU" (like Apple is doing more and more for example), making things even harder to swit…
the issue with EU companies is often the mindset: https://julien.danjou.info/blog/europes-cloud-problem-isnt-t... As tech worked who has worked in US FAANGs (still in europe)... the difference is immense. EU companies simply can't compete and will never be able to compete until they change the mindset. And the change must be pervasive, across all aspects (including IC compensation).
This reminds me a bit of that stuff people used to say about how China could never compete economically with the US until it embraced Western-style democracy, or about how it could copy but not innovate, etc. etc. Europe will continue being Europe, culturally speaking. Some aspects of European work culture will seem off to Americans, and vice versa. But ultimately, if the market for European cloud services grows, companies will adapt and take advantage of this.