I'm much more interested in the Commodore phone because of its form factor. They chose to use the same operating system as Jolla.
Jolla Phone (October 2026)
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Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
IIRC the company tried to become a major mobile operating system in the BRICS countries, which led to Rostelecom, the Russian state telecom operator, purchasing a majority state in the company in the mid-2010s. After Russia invaded Ukraine, the company's management started a new company and moved all their employees and IP over to it to escape the Russian ownership.
Oh, thanks for sharing. everything russia related is a hard pass until they repent
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Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
Huh. I really don't see the point of this, vs something like GrapheneOS. Edit: I'm well aware of the differences between typical Linux and Android (especially the security architecture!), and I'm willing to make some sacrifices in the name of FOSS... but only if it's actually FOSS.
I read somewhere that the owners have ties to russia, but the most important thing is that they’re marketing very aggressively through posts that slander GraphenOS.
They did. This was an unfortunate reality for Finnish telecom companies before the Ukraine war. Russia was an obvious market and a company looking for profit would be practically forced to try to work there.
As for Jolla, this is about the timeline:
2014 Russia attacks Crimea, temporarily occupies it
2016 Jolla grants Sailfish license to a private Open Mobile Platform LLC in Russia
2018 Rostelecom (state-owned Russian company) buys Open Mobile Platform
2020 Sailfish license to Rostelecom ends
2021 Jolla ceases all business in Russia -- at this point Rostelecom owns 32% of Jolla either directly or via subsidiaries
2022 Russia attacks rest of Ukraine in February
2022 Jolla starts dislodging from Russian ownership. Negotations with russian owners unsuccessful.
2023 Jollyboys Oy is formed, business restructuring of Jolla starts to move assets there
2024 Jolla files for bankruptcy to get finally rid of rest of the problematic ownership
So the current company around the new Jolla phone is technically a new company and has none of the previous baggage, but retains most of the non-russian owners and staff of Jolla.
The time between 2014-2022 was of course kind of problematic, but that was the reality in Europe. We still widely and naively gave Russia the benefit of the doubt back then. It seems to me that after Russia started the war in 2022, Jolla started immediately moving away from there.
Sources:
https://www.is.fi/taloussanomat/art-2000010451277.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla
https://suomimobiili.fi/jollyboys-oy-ostaa-sailfish-os-kaytt...
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#204Wanted to mention that Sailfish has a lot of closed-source components, especially UI-related, despite the overall marketing/"vibe" making it look very open. If anything, AOSP (Android) is more open than Sailfish. I don't think this has changed with Sailfish 5, see e.g.: - https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-os-clarifying-claims... - https://docs.sailfishos.org/Develop/Open_Source/
Huh. I really don't see the point of this, vs something like GrapheneOS. Edit: I'm well aware of the differences between typical Linux and Android (especially the security architecture!), and I'm willing to make some sacrifices in the name of FOSS... but only if it's actually FOSS.
> differences between typical Linux and Android
I know how this looks like, but I really wish a more precise term, like e.g. GNU/Linux would have catched on...
The kernel is necessary for the OS, but for the user freedom kind of not that important, as can be seen by Google/Linux aka. Android.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
> /etc configuration instead of the insanely bad system properties crap, glibc instead of bionic [...] The practical downside, however, is that this phone does not natively run Android apps, while GrapheneOS runs all Android apps bar those that require Play Integrity. Desktop GNU/Linux programs are either unusable or a terrible experience on a mobile device with a small screen and no mouse.
> Desktop GNU/Linux programs are either unusable or a terrible experience on a mobile device with a small screen and no mouse. Is this an assumption or coming from your experience? Because I'm typing this on a GNU/Linux phone in a desktop browser and use a bunch of desktop applications daily and haven't noticed. Of course if you run GIMP or something like that it won't fit unless you plug an external screen and a mou…
> Because I'm typing this on a GNU/Linux phone
Which are you using, can you recommend it?
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#206Wanted to mention that Sailfish has a lot of closed-source components, especially UI-related, despite the overall marketing/"vibe" making it look very open. If anything, AOSP (Android) is more open than Sailfish. I don't think this has changed with Sailfish 5, see e.g.: - https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-os-clarifying-claims... - https://docs.sailfishos.org/Develop/Open_Source/
Huh. I really don't see the point of this, vs something like GrapheneOS. Edit: I'm well aware of the differences between typical Linux and Android (especially the security architecture!), and I'm willing to make some sacrifices in the name of FOSS... but only if it's actually FOSS.
Jolla depends on the AOSP. Graphene depends on the AOSP and Google Pixel phones. If Google Pixel phones ever got their bootloader locked, Graphene would die immediately. If AOSP ever went private, both would die. The risk space is bigger for Graphene.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#207Jolla Phone 2026 is way better than C2, which was not even made by Jolla.
This is a phoen that is made in Finland, OS is secure and field prooven for over 10years. GrapheneOS is just Android, Java bloat, Sailfish is pure Linux with Qt interface, which is also from Finland and used in automotive / industrial.
Seems to be a quality phone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz_UGm9azOs
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
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