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NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by losteric »

imdsm wrote: post #145
joe_mamba wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>mythos allowed mediocre people to get results by holding their hand through the process Isn't this what technology progress looks like? Industrial tools allowed mediocre people to improve their productivity by orders of magnitude which is how we managed(in the past) to build so many amazing things with less human toil and suffering than previous generations.

Progress isn't always welcome by the incumbent who have built their moats on hoarding knowledge over being adaptable

It seems like AI is really hurting the people who don't have a hoard of experience - the juniors and early mid-level tech people.

The incumbents with experience are doing amazing. PM's with Mythos aren't replacing the PE with 20 years of experiences lol.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by gaiagraphia »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #199
gaiagraphia wrote: post #175

Is there a historical precedent as to what happened when the upstart denied capability to the empire? The closest I can think of is the bronze age collapse.

> The closest I can think of is the bronze age collapse. No idea about your question, but I'd love to hear more about this part.

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Post by zhoBEENG »

rob74 wrote: post #167
LPisGood wrote: post #155

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I’ve heard of “blue suiters” for air force brass, but never blue badgers. Anyways, isn’t NSA one of the largest employers of mathematicians in the world? Surely they’re doing something useful.

Cryptography, I guess? Not really related to LLMs...

Crypto and AI are deeply connected, and you see similar structures/problems in both. Shannon, the “Father (or whatever) of AI”, worked for the NSA and published many papers there that were later declassified.

Here is a banger quote on this by Shannon’s boy Warren Weaver, keeping in mind LLMs came from translation problems:

“One naturally wonders if the problem of translation could conceivably be treated as a problem in cryptography. When I look at an article in Russian, I say: 'This is really written in English, but it has been coded in some strange symbols. I will now proceed to decode.”

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by pixl97 »

losteric wrote: post #201
imdsm wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Progress isn't always welcome by the incumbent who have built their moats on hoarding knowledge over being adaptable

It seems like AI is really hurting the people who don't have a hoard of experience - the juniors and early mid-level tech people. The incumbents with experience are doing amazing. PM's with Mythos aren't replacing the PE with 20 years of experiences lol.

I mean that is what most technology looked like at first too.

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Post by bluGill »

distill17801 wrote: post #188
stackghost wrote: post #57

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> The US constitution limits what government can force on the people. The US constitution also prohibits: - refusing to spend money that congress has appropriated - dismantling congressionally-created federal agencies without congressional authorization - directing federal agencies to selectively apply the law according to the preference of the executive - giving control of federal agencies to individuals who have no…

I'll die on the hill that this started at or before the Patriot act. Think about it. What's happening now just seems like a natural unfolding.

Long before then, but that was a major Inflection point. FDR was not friendly to Constitutional limits either.

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Post by aspenmartin »

nozzlegear wrote: post #143
gallerdude wrote: post #81

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So let’s say you’re in Anthropic’s shoes. You see that LLM’s are getting better and better, and it’s very possible that they will have some impact on jobs in the next few years, and a very meaningful impact on cybersecurity. Is it more ethical to stay silent about these concerns, as you might have a bit of self interest? Or even if it looks a bit self interested, is it better to warn people ahead of time? I think the…

Was it more ethical for the boy who cried wolf to have cried wolf so many times that nobody believed him when a wolf finally did show up?

Be specific, what are you talking about. Industry has been continuously warning about many of the complex problems that are going to happen as a clear consequence of the technology. I don’t know of any problem they have talked about that hasn’t either already come to fruition in one sense or another or that just hasn’t yet arrived. Dario has been predicting the end of coding for a long time now and look where we already are.

So yea no it’s more like it’s important for industry leaders and those closest to model development to proactively identify the issues that they don’t have complete control over or that we don’t have a regulatory framework for.

Super puzzling to see these comments and of course with zero specifics just “they’re all liars and grifters”

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Post by archagon »

colechristensen wrote: post #45
medlazik wrote: post #29

AI marketing bullshit stunts are unlike anything I've seen in 30 years. It started with MS Copilot so called capabilities for work, which were completely made up use cases that didn't work at all (3 years later still). We've had OpenAI "AGI is coming" and "AI will take your job", now we have Mythos being so "dangerous" for cybersecurity, which of course makes the average Joe interpret it as Anthropic being "the bette…

I was able to identify, diagnose, fix, and upstream a minor bug in and erlang/OTP ssh key implementation with Opus in maybe 20 minutes (+2 weeks or so for upstream). It is not impossible that I could have done this before, but it would have taken days or weeks. The actual fix was about 2 lines of code, hardly AI slop, but getting there would have been quite the slog, and I never would have done it. There is a lot of…

Force multiplier? Or low-hanging fruit pruner?

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Post by greggsy »

virtualritz wrote: post #195
teravor wrote: post #112

mythos allowed mediocre people to get results by holding their hand through the process, or just ignoring their irrelevant input and knowing what to do. if you throw millions of tokens at IDA Pro MCP with the right prompt lets just say security by obscurity fails miserably because there is no obscurity when the LLM chews through the decompilation.

> mythos allowed mediocre people to get results by holding their hand through the process, Yes, just like early cars allowed mediocre horse riders to get from A to B with dignity. Or like my Japanese rice cooker allows a person like me, utterly shitty at preparing this, to eat some rice that is cooked to perfection. Etc.

I mean, the calculator is my go to analogy I keep bringing up in this debate.

It lets someone with mediocre long division skills to just do the thing they need to do with fewer steps and less friction.

IDA itself is a tool that helps you decompile code without having to do a lot of things.

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