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Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

duskdozer wrote: post #187
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there are plenty of places that pay less This exactly. I value working from home and not working for a company that actively makes the world hell, so I make a quarter of what some of my peers at FAANG-adjacent companies make. Which is still a lot more than I realistically need.

Is there any place you look or way of looking that has you in that job? I'm currently happy with my ethical and remote job myself, but I question if it will be around in 10 years, and I especially hate job hunting.

Small B2B/B2G software companies. Look at companies that answer RFPs from your local governments.

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Post by KaiserPro »

zipy124 wrote: post #190
rsynnott wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook doesn't pay an average US salary, either (which is presumably why anyone stays). Based on levels.fyi, you'd be looking at 300-400k eur for an E5 in Berlin all-in. Not sure I'd recommend it; there are less cartoonishly evil companies who still pay silly money in Europe available.

They pay £271k at E5 for London according to levels.fyi so I presume that Berlin number is wonky.

It might be a buyout, or someone/some people moving to berlin from america.

if you are moving countries you keep your RSU allocation, but your wage is adjusted down/up based on local levels. (ie for london its .85 or something)

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

jazzpush2 wrote: post #4

Meta continuing to be the most shameless (and shameful to work for) company around. I can't think of a single product of theirs that hasn't made the world a markedly worse place. Even their recent hardware foray is managing to find a way to ruin trust in everyday interactions (guys filming drunk girls with Ray Bans, surveillance, etc.). Have several friends at the more 'thoughtful' frontier labs that bin meta applica…

I know people who married after meeting thanks to facebook dating.

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Post by 9dev »

jopolous wrote: post #14
jazzpush2 wrote: post #4

Meta continuing to be the most shameless (and shameful to work for) company around. I can't think of a single product of theirs that hasn't made the world a markedly worse place. Even their recent hardware foray is managing to find a way to ruin trust in everyday interactions (guys filming drunk girls with Ray Bans, surveillance, etc.). Have several friends at the more 'thoughtful' frontier labs that bin meta applica…

Where should we work instead? I’d really like to leave, but I’m kind of stuck, and I don’t have enough to retire. I have to work remote from a non-coast state for family care reasons, and the places I’ve interviewed at the last few months have balked at hiring a remote employee.

The gall of one of the best-compensated people on the planet acting like they had no place else to go. Well, Mister Ivory Tower, I've got news for you: Having a conscience doesn't come for free. You'll be fine with a lower pay that's still several multiples of what other people make.

You don't need to retire early, there are companies aplenty that accept remote workers. But you won't, because you sold yourself out for money.

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Post by swader999 »

swader999 wrote: post #20
darth_avocado wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get paid for my work, not 8 hours a day. I’m a salaried employee. I sometimes have to work more than 8 to deliver things, I sometimes work less than 8. The fact that someone needs to monitor me all day long and potentially could use the information to treat me unfairly is disgusting. I’m not the first in line to defend meta employees, but this is just unacceptable.

I actually get paid by the hour but I think exactly like you do. Often work more than what I bill for. I'm delivering so much now with swarms of agents it really doesn't even make sense to pay me by the hour. I really think my next job will be a one person company run by moi.

Replying to myself after re reading it. Yeah I sounded like an full Kool aid drinker I guess. But there really is something to this idea that getting paid by the hour is so out of touch with the way 'work' now gets done.

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Post by 9dev »

least wrote: post #37
ra0x3 wrote: post #22

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Not sure why you're being downvoted. Maybe a little preachy, but the gist of the point isn't incorrect

People don’t particularly care for platitudes from anonymous people on the internet. Even less so when they reduce a complex dilemma in your life to a binary choice between an “easy and amoral” option and a “difficult but righteous” one. Most people make compromises inside imperfect systems. The person casting judgment almost certainly has their own moral compromises too, except those they understand, contextualize,…

You're making it very easy for them here. Giving up on any kind of personal integrity or responsibility in exchange for a lot of money is not a complex dilemma. You don't need context to see it's wrong. It's a classic deal with the devil, a literary trope as old as time.

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Post by LtWorf »

IshKebab wrote: post #163
Marsymars wrote: post #43

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They've also largely made WhatsApp worse.

Not yet they haven't. They've basically left it alone, with very minor UI/UX improvements. They have very recently shown signs of making it worse (the AI button), but overall I've been surprised how careful they've been about doing it slowly. We've probably got another 5-10 years of it being great before they turn it to shit.

And by "UX improvements" we mean dropping support for millions of devices

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Post by 9dev »

blitzar wrote: post #149
jopolous wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where should we work instead? I’d really like to leave, but I’m kind of stuck, and I don’t have enough to retire. I have to work remote from a non-coast state for family care reasons, and the places I’ve interviewed at the last few months have balked at hiring a remote employee.

Ahh the olde Nuremberg Defense - Befehl ist Befehl ... “an order is an order”

"Was hätten wir denn tun sollen?" - What were we supposed to do? We were just the little people…

It's always the same.

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Post by nchmy »

haunter wrote: post #78
jazzpush2 wrote: post #4

Meta continuing to be the most shameless (and shameful to work for) company around. I can't think of a single product of theirs that hasn't made the world a markedly worse place. Even their recent hardware foray is managing to find a way to ruin trust in everyday interactions (guys filming drunk girls with Ray Bans, surveillance, etc.). Have several friends at the more 'thoughtful' frontier labs that bin meta applica…

> I can't think of a single product of theirs that hasn't made the world a markedly worse place zstd I’m torn about React and PyTorch :)

https://jsx.lol
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