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Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by Teknoman117 »

schappim wrote: post #39

Some folks might have missed that memory prices on the whole are up [1] 90% since Q4. The memory used by the Pi 5 is up 700% [2]! Raspberry Pi are working the issue by releasing new memory variants that are cheaper[2]. Edit: You can still walk into a Microcenter and get Pi 5 16GB for US $289! 1. https://au.pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/ 2. https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/a-new-3gb-raspberry-pi-4-fo...

The trouble is that the RAM chip on the Pi is a high density module that's going to have come under pressure from the datacenter buildouts.

An 8 GiB DIMM for a desktop or server is using 8x 1 GiB chips or 16x 512 MiB chips (9/18 for ECC). An 8 GiB Pi uses a single 8 GiB chip. That's the same density as you would use for 128 GiB or larger sticks.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by justin66 »

nine_k wrote: post #198
abdullahkhalids wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it at all possible to run 1080p video using Pi Zero 2 W smoothly with no jittering? What about launching a browser and playing a 1080p video from a streaming site? I am looking for a computer to connect to my internet-disconnected TV.

An old thin client machine, like a Thinkcentre M73, would do the job, and would cost less than an RPi. Look at EBay.

He's talking about a Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W. It's a $15 part.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by rjrjrjrj »

steveBK123 wrote: post #103

It's crazy how Raspberry Pi & Apple prices have moved in converging direction. Pi 5 8GB is $200 MacBook Neo 8GB is $600 (probably some edu discount available) Sure 3x the price, but it comes with - 256GB SSD, battery, display, keyboard, trackpad.. So the Pi has slowly become too expensive for weird one-off projects and also price competitive with a cheap Mac by the time you add all the stuff you need to use it as a c…

A Mac Neo would be great.

But for now, Intel N150 mini PCs are probably a better choice than RPi for those types of tasks.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by justin66 »

NavinF wrote: post #176
mathis wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try getting your hands on a Pi Zero 2 W. Here in Germany you cannot get them at all any more and the quoted price has gone up 3x.

It's $37 new incl shipping on US eBay. Initial retail price was $23 incl shipping, see launch thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29025579 So a 61% price hike over 5 years, of which 24% was just inflation. If the total price really went up 200% in your country, that's exceptional and probably caused by policies unique to your country. btw you can't compare prices without shipping because there was never an o…

Weird. I can get one at the local Microcenter - with headers, the only one they're selling right now - for $18. They have a bunch in stock.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by nubinetwork »

pibaker wrote: post #139
pseudosavant wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a completely invalid or uncommon take, but also not completely correct. People lament that it isn't the $25 like it used to be with the Pi 2/3, but ignore that you can get a Pi Zero 2 W (quad A53 cores like 3B, 512MB RAM) for https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero-2-w/ I wish a Pi 5 (and RAM in general) was cheaper, but Raspberry Pi can't control that.

Some people seem to think raspberry pi is a consumer tech company and whenever a new model is released, the old one will be discontinued. They will complain about the product being changed and the company robbing them of a cheap SBC. I can only assume they don't actually work with the pi because if you spend just a minute looking at any reseller's inventory or even just the official website you will see they still ma…

While you can still buy a pi 3, you'd be kicking yourself for not using something faster.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by dannyw »

peterburkimsher wrote: post #121
zerobees wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having had a subscription to Hack-a-Day for a long time, I firmly believe that the vast majority of "weird one-off" Raspberry Pi projects don't actually need anything as capable as a Raspberry Pi SBC. It's just a matter of brand recognition and familiarity. If it gets too expensive, I suspect that more users will migrate to microcontrollers than to gutted notebooks. You don't even need to learn anything new, I'm sure…

Another Hackaday reader here. I think that the RPi shines in projects where GPIO are needed, yet the developer needs a full Linux OS (usually to run Python). I agree that vibe coding microcontrollers will increase the use of embedded systems instead of RPi devices. Seems like a good move for them to have built the RPi Pico.

There’s something really fun about writing your own microcontroller code as a software engineer that hasn’t worked with embedded before. At least for me.

Before you just vibe code, consider if it piques your interest. You might just enjoy learning, playing, and building with something new.

When you get stuck, hand it over to AI.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by zarzavat »

pibaker wrote: post #139
pseudosavant wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a completely invalid or uncommon take, but also not completely correct. People lament that it isn't the $25 like it used to be with the Pi 2/3, but ignore that you can get a Pi Zero 2 W (quad A53 cores like 3B, 512MB RAM) for https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero-2-w/ I wish a Pi 5 (and RAM in general) was cheaper, but Raspberry Pi can't control that.

Some people seem to think raspberry pi is a consumer tech company and whenever a new model is released, the old one will be discontinued. They will complain about the product being changed and the company robbing them of a cheap SBC. I can only assume they don't actually work with the pi because if you spend just a minute looking at any reseller's inventory or even just the official website you will see they still ma…

I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to understand.

If you're using the Pi as a microcontroller that you can run Python on, then just get the cheapest Pi that meets your needs.

If you're using the Pi for computationally expensive tasks then pay more money and get the fast one.

Personally I have a Pi 5 and it's perfect for me because I want small size but high performance. People say "just buy a real computer" but that would be higher energy and larger footprint.

The whole point of these things is that you use them for whatever you can imagine. Since different people have different imaginations it only makes sense that there's a range of different devices to suit everyone.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by HerbManic »

zerobees wrote: post #119
steveBK123 wrote: post #103

It's crazy how Raspberry Pi & Apple prices have moved in converging direction. Pi 5 8GB is $200 MacBook Neo 8GB is $600 (probably some edu discount available) Sure 3x the price, but it comes with - 256GB SSD, battery, display, keyboard, trackpad.. So the Pi has slowly become too expensive for weird one-off projects and also price competitive with a cheap Mac by the time you add all the stuff you need to use it as a c…

Having had a subscription to Hack-a-Day for a long time, I firmly believe that the vast majority of "weird one-off" Raspberry Pi projects don't actually need anything as capable as a Raspberry Pi SBC. It's just a matter of brand recognition and familiarity. If it gets too expensive, I suspect that more users will migrate to microcontrollers than to gutted notebooks. You don't even need to learn anything new, I'm sure…

A lot of things wouldn't even need a RP2350. The original Arduino alone was pretty slick for a lot of cool small scale projects.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by HerbManic »

rjrjrjrj wrote: post #203
steveBK123 wrote: post #103

It's crazy how Raspberry Pi & Apple prices have moved in converging direction. Pi 5 8GB is $200 MacBook Neo 8GB is $600 (probably some edu discount available) Sure 3x the price, but it comes with - 256GB SSD, battery, display, keyboard, trackpad.. So the Pi has slowly become too expensive for weird one-off projects and also price competitive with a cheap Mac by the time you add all the stuff you need to use it as a c…

A Mac Neo would be great. But for now, Intel N150 mini PCs are probably a better choice than RPi for those types of tasks.

I saw a talk about a year back with them arguing that things like N150 platforms are probably a better choice than Pi based machines.

Came down to, wide software support with x86, higher performance, UEFI, secure boot and storage standards like NVME slots. It was a fair argument but doesn't apply to everyone.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by hatthew »

wtallis wrote: post #190
hatthew wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh. I had a work project a decade ago where we were evaluating SBCs as drivers for kiosks. At that time, the prevailing wisdom was that the Pi was specifically not for industry, as its main advantage was the strong community to provide support for DIYers. Competitors like PINE64 and Orange Pi were the same/better specs at half the price.

When people talk about whether something like a Pi is aimed at industrial customers, that is largely not a statement about the cost vs specs, nor about the level of engagement with the DIY community. It's usually about having a suitable supply chain and long-term support and stable BOM and a mature software platform for customers to start building on.

Our logic at the time was that the relatively fixed cost of figuring out the hardware and developing device-specific software was less than the variable cost-per-board delta of like $20.
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