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Re: The OnlyFans Economy of American AI

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Post by ignoramous »

Multiplayer wrote: post #185
xyzal wrote: post #8

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I'll root for DeepSeek v4 Flash as well. It surprised me just how "good enough" it is for most of my needs, and also dirt cheap. Everyone should try it at least once.

fired it up via the $5 opencode go subscription and am stoked. This is an amazing amount of capability for pennies on the dollar. I'm using it alongside my codex and claude max subs. Just fantastic for coding that claude is architecting.

> This is an amazing amount of capability for pennies on the dollar.

True. I doubt how long OpenCode can subsidize $10/mo Go plan for. Its weekly and monthly limits already seem restrictive for some of the most capable models like Qwen 3.7 Max and GLM 5.1. That said, if the tasks are do-able by DeepSeek v4 Pro, Mimo 2.5 Pro, and Qwen 3.7 Plus, then it indeed is a super nice deal. I haven't too many complains other than the fact that these models sometimes require more/detailed instructions than Claude Sonnet / GPT 5.x did.

Re: The OnlyFans Economy of American AI

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Post by [deleted] »

bix6 wrote: post #66

Is there any truth to the Chinese models having built in f’ery? Like phoning home or inserting backdoors. Or is that just everyone blanketing “China bad”? Also what local models are people running and actually finding useful?

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Re: The OnlyFans Economy of American AI

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Post by throw10920 »

realmofthemad wrote: post #143
swiftcoder wrote: post #4

> and will judge, like any sane person, that US frontier models have stopped earning their multiplier I think that this is on the money, although I'd place the bar even lower - DeepSeek v4 Flash is sufficient for basically all day-to-day coding tasks. You might want something beefier for a complicated reverse-engineering project, but it will competently one-shot a decently complicated app or API - and a $10/month Ope…

Am I missing out? I feel like I can definitely tell the difference in quality between Claude Opus and other smaller models. The smaller models are much more likely to make mistakes or to get stuck on random stuff Maybe I just haven't been trying the right models?

It's not just you. I tried an Opencode Go subscription, and experimented with most of their models (GLM, Kimi, Qwen, Deepseek), and none of them got anywhere close to Opus - the difference in quality was very noticeable, especially with Deepseek V4 Pro and Flash.

The only caveats: I didn't play around with Qwen 3.7 Max very much, and of course these models are far cheaper than Opus.

But any suggestion that Deepseek approaches Opus in terms of quality/intelligence immediately makes me suspect propaganda - it's that noticeable of a difference.

Re: The OnlyFans Economy of American AI

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Post by fwipsy »

sublinear wrote: post #124
swiftcoder wrote: post #4

> and will judge, like any sane person, that US frontier models have stopped earning their multiplier I think that this is on the money, although I'd place the bar even lower - DeepSeek v4 Flash is sufficient for basically all day-to-day coding tasks. You might want something beefier for a complicated reverse-engineering project, but it will competently one-shot a decently complicated app or API - and a $10/month Ope…

I think the situation is even more severely ridiculous than that. Google is still good enough just like it was well over a decade ago. Most people don't have workloads that demand agentic workflows to begin with, and if their employer is pushing for that it's probably a startup that underpays or a coding sweatshop full of nepotism that fires fast.

"People shouldn't need to use AI unless they're overworked, Google is good enough."

But why should I work harder than necessary to do the same job? Why wouldn't I want to use the best tools available?

Re: The OnlyFans Economy of American AI

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Post by sublinear »

fwipsy wrote: post #204
sublinear wrote: post #124

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I think the situation is even more severely ridiculous than that. Google is still good enough just like it was well over a decade ago. Most people don't have workloads that demand agentic workflows to begin with, and if their employer is pushing for that it's probably a startup that underpays or a coding sweatshop full of nepotism that fires fast.

"People shouldn't need to use AI unless they're overworked, Google is good enough." But why should I work harder than necessary to do the same job? Why wouldn't I want to use the best tools available?

You're likely not doing the "same job". If you really want to take that stance, you can take it so easy that you're unemployed and your employer can vibecode their business into the ground.

The best tool available is your own mind. You should at least understand what you're being held accountable for.

We already went through all this shit the previous decade with copypasta and the decade before that with WYSIWYG and the decade before that...

Re: The OnlyFans Economy of American AI

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Post by dang »

tcp_handshaker wrote: post #139
Levitz wrote: post #115

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I see...So the argument is not wrong because you refuted it... instead because you promoted yourself to the position of deciding which claims are allowed to be subjected to scrutiny and evidence. :-)) "What we know about the plan to give Americans an equity stake in AI" - https://www.ft.com/content/8559a3f9-86de-4a1c-8a75-6623e83e6... "OpenAI discussed government loan guarantees for chip plants, not data centers, Alt…

Can you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN? You've been doing it a lot lately. You've also been breaking the site guidelines in other ways, such as by being snarky, crossing into personal attack, accusing other users of bad faith ("who do you work for?") and so on.

That's not the curious conversation that HN is supposed to be for, and we ban accounts that keep posting like this.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: The OnlyFans Economy of American AI

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Post by palmotea »

Avicebron wrote: post #76
zozbot234 wrote: post #60

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> that if used as a coding agent, an AI model affiliated with a country's government might try to make my software susceptible to attacks by that government's intelligence forces. Note that if such a trigger were to exist, the behavior has to be completely reproducible by definition, e.g. when put into the right setting with the right input context, the model starts behaving maliciously with at least some well-define…

I don't think it's a stretch that you can train/align a model to avoid "hatespeech" or other topics deemed $Unacceptable you can align a model to favor a certain ideological viewpoint and have that alignment subtly influence the output. How do most Chinese models handle Tienanmen square or discussions on Han superiority?

> How do most Chinese models handle Tienanmen square or discussions on Han superiority?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/28/we-tried-...

https://dev.to/jeramos/deepseek-model-does-not-censor-tianan...

Re: The OnlyFans Economy of American AI

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Post by burner012341234 »

fwipsy wrote: post #204
sublinear wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the situation is even more severely ridiculous than that. Google is still good enough just like it was well over a decade ago. Most people don't have workloads that demand agentic workflows to begin with, and if their employer is pushing for that it's probably a startup that underpays or a coding sweatshop full of nepotism that fires fast.

"People shouldn't need to use AI unless they're overworked, Google is good enough." But why should I work harder than necessary to do the same job? Why wouldn't I want to use the best tools available?

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Re: The OnlyFans Economy of American AI

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Post by palmotea »

> Anyway, that guy said something along the lines of “we should be patient with these companies and give them room to fail.” I like to call this the OnlyFans economy. Nobody is simping for a cartel. The simps thrive in the parasocial economy, shoulder in shoulder with the cucks paying $500 million invoices.

I haven't totally processed this, but it seems like there's a useful connection here. There are all kinds of workers who bizarrely take on the perspectives of the billionaire class, even when it actively harms their interests. Some of it is ignorance and simply getting duped by propaganda, but now I wonder if there may be a para-social component as well, like those guys pathetically wasting money on OnlyFans: "if I carry a torch for the billionaires schemes, then I can feel I'm like them and part of their group."

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