Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

Post by gchamonlive » Wed, May 27, 2026, 9:49 PM UTC

asdff wrote: post #196

throwaway27448 wrote: post #185

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True. But we seem like the least trustworthy people on earth at the moment. After israel, anyway. Trump has nothing to do with it.

Israel seems trustworthy in the sense that their priorities and aims are abundantly clear to everyone. People are pissed about Israel for Iran right now, but, I mean, there is a reason why they are attacking Iran right now and not Egypt or Turkey. You go about and poke the bear like Iran has done for decades with Israel, you get these outcomes. Egypt tried to poke the bear but that was decades ago and they've since l…

Post by vkou » Wed, May 27, 2026, 9:50 PM UTC

asdff wrote: post #200

vkou wrote: post #193

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Democracy in the US is sick at the best of times. It's a fundamental flaw in strong executive presidential republics, doubled down on by the legislatures ability to constantly redistrict in a way that advantages the incumbents, tripled down on by the lack of a plausible mechanism to have a non-confidence motion. Canada can't solve this problem inside US politics. Only Americans can, at any one of the three boxes. It…

And democracy isn't sick in the UK that elected conservatives to leave from the EU? It isn't sick in Hungary that elected Orban? It isn't sick in Germany where 1/4 of the bundestag is comprised of AfD? Far right is rising in Canada too in recent years (1). 1. https://universityaffairs.ca/features/northern-shift/

Post by throwaway27448 » Wed, May 27, 2026, 9:54 PM UTC

asdff wrote: post #196

throwaway27448 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. But we seem like the least trustworthy people on earth at the moment. After israel, anyway. Trump has nothing to do with it.

Israel seems trustworthy in the sense that their priorities and aims are abundantly clear to everyone. People are pissed about Israel for Iran right now, but, I mean, there is a reason why they are attacking Iran right now and not Egypt or Turkey. You go about and poke the bear like Iran has done for decades with Israel, you get these outcomes. Egypt tried to poke the bear but that was decades ago and they've since l…

Post by Hikikomori » Wed, May 27, 2026, 9:55 PM UTC

joering2 wrote: post #50

kashunstva wrote: post #44

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Canada has historically relied on a relatively stable trading relationship with the U.S. That relationship is a shambles. It remains to be seen how Canada retools itself; I imagine that we will see a blend of on-shoring and new trading sources. So it’s less of an issue of “can’t” and more “hasn’t (yet)”.

Frankly to me the fact Canada is "retooling itself" knowing well that this nightmare should be over in less than 3 years, and most likely next President will be a Democrat, but yet they keep retooling, means their strong (reliable?) assumption is that Trump Administration won't leave the office at all, similar to how Putin stayed in power in what arguingly is a Democratic Country.

Post by MegaDeKay » Wed, May 27, 2026, 9:55 PM UTC

hylaride wrote: post #25

moltar wrote: post #5

Now the interesting question to me is why is that a country with a tenth of population can have car, truck and military plane manufacturing yet Canada can’t, even with virtually all resources for inputs, including energy can’t.

These are extremely expensive programs that the Swedes have historically been willing to pay to maintain as much neutrality as possible in their defence procurement system. A Saab Gripen has almost the same flyway cost as an F-35 because of manufacturing scale differences (maintenance is far cheaper, though) and the Gripen is far less capable (it is one of the best western fighters if a full blown war happens and you…