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Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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For the first time in their history Google was finding themselves losing market share to ChatGPT. It wasn't a huge amount yet but it was clearly going to become one. That's what this is. The idea that the end user doesn't want this is preposterous. Those of us who make money off the web don't want this but the end user absolutely does.

This is going to happen whether Google does it or not. The toothpaste is out of the tube.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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While there are good alternatives like DuckDuckGo, Mojeek, or Ecosia, there are also ad-free alternatives, where you're not the product, like Kagi [1] or Uruky [2] (I co-founded Uruky, which is also currently and for the foreseeable future "No-AI")! [1]: https://kagi.com [2]: https://uruky.com

Am I right in that I cannot demo a couple of searches without subscribing?

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I am. And these days Google has become about as bad as DDG. And not because DDG has become better.

Have read this comment before multiple times, even a year or two ago. Hence my “unreasonable” demand for screenshots if someone has the minutes to script it. - Hmm, really should be a live site to track over time... Can make that and Show [Three People On] HN! (Google could give better results to those unloyal to them, as one example, so testing needed! We could be getting wildly different results or just have starkl…

Waiting for your screenshots. Do the legwork yourself first.

And obviously there is no astroturfing here from DDG. That you could have seen from a tiny look at my profile. I have a pretty public persona on the internet.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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post #23

> now that Google isn’t really Google anymore I can't say I've noticed any changes about google search on desktop recently. Yes; there is an AI overview widget at the top of the page; but it's been there for at least a year. Has anything changed about Google search results for you?

Yes, significantly, but not recently. It can't search anymore. Like literally, it can't. You cannot reach a web page you know exists, like you used to.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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post #125

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I've been a Kagi subscriber for several years now. If you're questioning the AI features, know that I am only barely aware they exist. I have never, not even once, accidentally or otherwise, engaged the AI features without going out of my way to do so. I've never seen what their AI is like. I have no idea what it's for or why I'd want it. It's beautiful. Kagi has AI I suppose, but it's over there and not in my face.…

The small thing that annoys me is that I am 100% sure somebody at Apple has a directive: never allow Kagi search integration. I am truly baffled (and annoyed) about this fact.

Using third-party browsers on iOS isn’t nearly as annoying as it was a few years ago. I had been driven to switch back to Safari a few years ago after trying to make a go of it. But last year I switched back to a third-party default browser and have been happy.

Third-party keyboards, still not usable but browsers are basically ok.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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They used to have: - Organize the world's information - Don't be evil Who was president at this time? Was this while they were denying students the option to code on the computers we bought for them because security ? From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil : > Between 21 April and 4 May 2018, Google removed the motto from the preface, leaving a mention in the final line: "And remember... don't be evil, an…

People think Google removing "Don't be evil" means Google somewhat implicitly told everyone they'll be evil from now on. That doesn't make much sense. It was likely a marketing decision since having "evil" in your motto is not good even if you explicitly state "DON'T BE" before it. Just like if I write in my profile text "I'm not a pedo", you'll think "this guy is likely a pedo"

I would have loved to be in the room when this decision was made, but my guess is that they decided that it was better to face some subtle nerd backlash now rather than having this quoted at the start of countless congressional hearings over the next decade.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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post #7

I switched to Kagi little over a year ago and couldn’t recommend it enough. The search results are actually what I’m searching for, there is AI for the occasions I want it (and only then), and it comes with nice extras like search personalization and a great translation app. Tried to live without it when my first year of subscription ran out, but I didn’t last long…

The Kagi stats graphs (showing membership growth) since May 20th when Google announced their replacment of Google Search speaks for itself: https://kagi.com/stats Slow gradual growth before, large increase in the daily growth rate since. It'll be interesting keeping an eye on how that growth rate goes over time. :)

A good graph would start at 0

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it helps, I could have written this comment just about word for word, and you can check my account and see that I’m clearly human. I would probably add that I’m nervous about AI search results and how it affects the future of the internet and content creation in general, but from the perspective of a user, I’m pleased with the direction.

I don’t doubt that people feel this way. I doubt that every new account inflating the apparent consensus is genuine.

Have you bothered to check @nekzn’s comment history? Attacking new people here is going to ensure we’re left with only bots. This is one of the reasons why HN has the guidelines that you’re repeatedly breaking. If you do suspect a bot after at least taking the ten seconds to check their comment history, the best thing you can do is not engage.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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post #7

I switched to Kagi little over a year ago and couldn’t recommend it enough. The search results are actually what I’m searching for, there is AI for the occasions I want it (and only then), and it comes with nice extras like search personalization and a great translation app. Tried to live without it when my first year of subscription ran out, but I didn’t last long…

The Kagi stats graphs (showing membership growth) since May 20th when Google announced their replacment of Google Search speaks for itself: https://kagi.com/stats Slow gradual growth before, large increase in the daily growth rate since. It'll be interesting keeping an eye on how that growth rate goes over time. :)

That chart is programmed to always shows the same shape, no matter if the number of subscribers increased by 10 or by 10 000.
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