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Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by redwood »

Jgrubb wrote: post #52
ozten wrote: post #37

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For me it is their personable account reps and customer service. It’s the human touch we’ve come to associate with the “Don’t be Evil” brand.

Part of the magic of their account rep strategy is how they keep them on your account for so long, you get to develop not just a rapport but a trust that they truly understand your business. It gives me faith that when they advise us on their new AI products, they're going to be a good fit. Edit: I forgot to mention the curiosity and humility they bring to our calls. If I point out another vendors approach to a probl…

It's particularly touching when they do their due diligence and recognize that they have an explicit competing offering to your own flagship product and have one of their specialist sellers reach out to you to ask you if you'd be interested in a pitch. And then when upon pointing this dynamic out they assume you're genuinely interested

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by redwood »

ath3nd wrote: post #66
Jgrubb wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the magic of their account rep strategy is how they keep them on your account for so long, you get to develop not just a rapport but a trust that they truly understand your business. It gives me faith that when they advise us on their new AI products, they're going to be a good fit. Edit: I forgot to mention the curiosity and humility they bring to our calls. If I point out another vendors approach to a probl…

I also have a great experience with Google account reps. Other companies usually have a soulless void of an automatic system which gives you no confirmation your messages and inquiries are received whatsoever. Not Google. There is always a human on the other side so you know you are in good hands. Trust and connection are the things I value the most in this very two sided relationship. I also have deep faith in Googl…

When a Google employee is queried for their feelings on the name "bard" they universally agree it is a winner

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by Tenoke »

knollimar wrote: post #187
Tenoke wrote: post #168

Compared to gemini-cli which I was using the last few weeks it also doesn't: 1. Doesn't tell you your weekly qutoa (at least on Pro plan/all the time) 2. Your agent cant access the quota to not run some tasks at low quota 3. You cant see the context size 4. Your agent can't see the context size 5. You can't compact/compress 6. You have to keep starting new chats which also kill any processes it has running (e.g. a te…

No compacting?????????

Nope, it does some automatically, but you cant even check the context size let alone compact. The agent proposes to start a new chat when you think it might be high, and that's it.

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by martythemaniak »

riskassessment wrote: post #46

I was surprised people were so willing to jump to closed source IDEs just for access to coding agents. The trade-off you pay for tight integration between the IDE and the coding agent is lock-in because the barrier to switching IDEs is nontrivial. Your coding environment stands a lower chance of disruption when you use an open source IDE with a CLI agent. Yes it's slightly annoying to separate the agent from the IDE…

> barrier to switching IDEs is nontrivial

That was definitely true in the hand-crafted code era, but I've found all the agentic-type things to be basically the same? Even if you're fairly involved in the code, you're still just mostly reading diffs and editing the odd line, the kind of basic work that's the same across all modern editors.

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by svachalek »

embedding-shape wrote: post #12
MisterKent wrote: post #9

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Wow. Didn't realize OAI was astroturfing hacker news now...

All the labs astroturf all the social media, HN is not unique and OpenAI wouldn't be the only ones. I even receive offers sometimes on my email put in my HN profile, asking me to post about their project in exchange for money. Be skeptical of anything you read online, not just what you think is "obvious astroturf".

Wait so you're countering an accusation of astroturfing with an actual confession? That's new.

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by torben-friis »

tempoponet wrote: post #184
torben-friis wrote: post #104

The day my coworkers started using cursor I started to learn neovim. Every day that passes I'm more glad I did it. And mind you, I'm not an anti AI extremist. But I dont think there's any need to adopt the new tool as your new full workbench, a Claude style chat in a nearby terminal has the same benefit and exposes you to a ridiculously smaller personal risk.

For the huge percentage of devs using vscode, switching to Cursor was essentially adding a new color theme and a chat window. The CLI switch was far more radical.

Yeah, I was a vscode user back then. The problem was realizing that cursor was going to be enshittified... and MS would start enshittifying vscode to compete as well.

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Post by seanw444 »

20k wrote: post #172
RHSeeger wrote: post #163

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I find this comment mind-boggling; in an honest confusion, not insulting way. I use Claude Code (and desktop) on a daily basis; but I can't even imagine doing anything complex without being able to see the code.

There seems two kinds of developers 1. Developers that create the mess and don't have to deal with the consequences 2. Developers that fix the mess and have to deal with the consequences I've noticed that the former category is significantly more pro AI than the latter

Can we stop calling it AI and making it sound cooler than it really is: a lossily-compressed text lookup DB?

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Post by svachalek »

cush wrote: post #26
Sevii wrote: post #2

How did Google blow their AI lead? Why is Google the 2nd or 3rd tier player in the AI coding market? Why can't GCP supplant AWS? Because google can't help but constantly shoot its customers and itself in the foot.

They had the lead for maybe a week or two. Now, only Apple is further behind.

I'll give them images. Gemini/Nano Banana is notably better at understanding and generating images than OpenAI, imo, and Claude can't even generate.

While I'm at it I've got to give them credit for Gemma as well. Stellar, first class model for the size.

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Post by kybernetikos »

donbox wrote: post #87
ventana wrote: post #8

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I am especially impressed with how they keep supporting Google Reader for all these years despite the declining user base, because they care so much about the existing users.

The internet changed for me the day the Reader died. Actually, in hindsight, for me personally, internet died when the Reader died.

There are decent alternatives. Personally I use newsblur, and I like having a feed that contains only sources I've chosen.
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