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Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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I actively used Vivaldi for several months until recently - on my Mac it would intermittently crash for no reason I could find. I’ve since switched to ungoogled-chromium - it’s only a couple of weeks so it’s early days but so far it’s been very stable.

Sounds like a you problem. It never crashes on me.

What an uncharitable take. Does the fact that the browser crashes on their machine offend you in some way?

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Guys use Vivaldi. It's a present. A browser that has a sustainable business model and interests that reconcile with the user interests - consume the web as god intended, with no literally aids and cancer ads out of the box. I switched a while ago from Firefox and while the UI is.. different, it's been a great experience. In my opinion this project and the great people behind it must be the leaders of this industry, a…

The real hegemony is the Blink hegemony. Google (an advertising company) can pretty much unilaterally dictate web standards. A terrible state of affairs for the web. That's the real issue and using another Chrome reskin is never going to fix it.

Blink is a virtual machine. It's like complaining about the Hegemony of Perl

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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a closed-source browser is a non-starter for me.

Good thing then, that you can download sources from: https://vivaldi.com/source/

That's not the full source code of the browser, that only includes the core engine. The UI is still closed source.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

#204

I used Vivaldi for many years and was a huge advocate. The problem for me was the browser got too bloated and buggy. They kept adding functionality that for me wasn’t necessary. For example: built in Proton VPN support, calendars, email functionality, notes, a game arcade. I don’t want any of that bundled in my browser. I want my browser to be lite weight. I eventually switched to Edge a few years ago because it was…

Recently switched to Helium, a super lightweight Chromium-based browser. It has vertical tabs, extension support, and tab groups and profiles, if that's what you mean by workspaces.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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I've heard that argument before, but has that actually been demonstrated? Ability to look at the code (especially in the age of AI) means that security researchers aren't the only ones who can look for bugs. For example, look at the bugs like copyfail that AI has recently uncovered in the Linux kernel.

You are grasping for straws. No one said open source is perfect. But it's just an obvious fact that open source is going to be easier to audit than closed source.

No, I'm asking questions...... not pretending I have answers.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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What is the advantage of building a browser engine from scratch? As opposed to just forking Blink and maintaining it as a separate project? Seems like the former just adds an ungodly amount of work and still doesn't solve the problem of Google using its weight to control web standards. If Firefox and Apple can't rein in Google with their competing engines, what exactly does Ladybird change?

> What is the advantage of building a browser engine from scratch? Same reason some of us choose Linux over Windows.

Linux and Windows do not have a goal of perfectly emulating the other one, to the degree of sharing the same spec and tests. Not sure how this example applies, especially since Blink is open source, while Windows is not.

In fact your example betrays you, because it would be like rewriting Linux from scratch while still attempting to maintain perfect compatibly with Linux. And then arguing that you've somehow weakened Linux in the process. Why not just fork it and maintain your own fork?

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Happy to discuss. I'm not sure if this [1] is still relevant, but it appears that Vivaldi makes money by promoting search engines and bookmarks to their users via their closed source, secret, Chromium fork. If my usage of their Chromium clone is being used to sell search engines/website bookmarks, then I am indeed the product. There does also seem to be a VPN option on their site that I'm assuming I can pay for, whic…

"Being the product" refers to recording user behavior and processing it for gains. Displaying non-personalized ads (which are trivial to completely avoid in Vivaldi) is not that.

You have a different definition of "being the product" than I do. A business that takes money from advertisers in exchange for your attention is selling your attention. You are the product is shorthand for your attention is the product, short of slavery.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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>our biggest design overhaul, ever >A new look for a new era Oh god no, just STOP. It's fine the way it is! I dread these headlines from any software project, because it's always worse. Always - and I have to spend time trying restore things back to how it was. Why do software developers do this?

What else are they supposed to do, when the new eras just keep coming every other year?

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

#209

I have been using Vivaldi since it was an alpha build. It is the best browser hands down IMO. I have been here for the entire ride. I am so glad to see that there is not AI bundled in this release, which has been a major concern for me when anticipating future releases of this browser. I hope they keep it up.

Totally agree. It is the best browser across all platforms of mobile and desktop for me. I read on here all the excuses others make for not using Vivaldi but they don't pass the smell test for me. Long may Vivaldi prosper.

Being closed source doesn't pass the smell test?

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

#210

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Sounds like a you problem. It never crashes on me.

I’ll try to take your comment in good faith. And of course - that’s the trouble with issues like these isn’t it? I did find some reports online of the same but when there’s no consistent way of making it happen, there’s no simple solution either. I ran it with no extensions and out of the other chromium-based browsers I’ve tried it’s the only one where I’ve had crash issues.

I run on multiple machines without issue.
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