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Anthropic is expanding to Colossus2. Will use GB200

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Re: Anthropic is expanding to Colossus2. Will use GB200

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Post by _heimdall »

Kelteseth wrote: post #155
gaze wrote: post #18

I think that's the datacenter with the gas turbine generators that operate without permits because they're "portable." Data centers have tremendous externalities but colossus is a particularly nasty offender, and not just due its size. Edit: They did it with Colossus and now they're doing the exact same thing with Colossus2. https://www.selc.org/news/xai-built-an-illegal-power-plant-t...

So for a guy that literally has a company that produces batteries and solar panels, choose to use gas turbines. So much for saving the planet.

Solar and batteries are a bad choice for a constant 24/7 load.

That's the exact reason we will never go fully solar (or wind) unless an insanely impressive battery breakthrough makes storage effectively free while using only common, renewable components rather than rare earths.

Solar, wind, etc are excellent parts of an energy system, but its nearly impossible to cover base load at scale with generation that may only run for 0-5 hours a day.

edit: typo

Re: Anthropic is expanding to Colossus2. Will use GB200

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Post by davedx »

aurareturn wrote: post #188
stevefan1999 wrote: post #184

Aren't Anthropic afraid of Elon siphoning the model weights out from the network buses?

Pretty sure models are encrypted all the way.

Dude, Chinese labs distil attack via the APIs, if Musk wanted to do something like that, technically he could. Legally it would be a giant slam dunk liability though

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Post by viking123 »

tristanj wrote: post #62
virgildotcodes wrote: post #52

Here's a probably stupid question - if someone were unbounded by ethics and conceivably had enough power and connections to power to shield themselves from many consequences of their actions - and that person owned these DCs, could they in theory observe all the streams of tokens coming in and out of these models, and even exfiltrate copies of these models wholesale to have their own teams do what they will with them…

1) The situation you described would be covered under the contract between Anthropic and xAI, and that any violation of that would be subject to financial penalties and legal proceedings. The US has a robust corporate legal system, and disputes do get resolved through the court system, although in a slow and costly manner. The contract can stipulate a penalty at a high enough amount to discourage this behavior. 2) Ou…

I hope the Chinese keep harvesting Claude etc. since they stole all their data anyway, who cares?

Re: Anthropic is expanding to Colossus2. Will use GB200

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Post by viking123 »

alienreborn wrote: post #13

Why is xAI giving up their advantage? Is this a signal that their frontier model improvements are plateauing and decided there is no value in hoarding all their compute?

xAI advantage is that it's not censored, that's why people use Grok

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Post by _heimdall »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #87
hemul3n wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dug into this topic in some detail on my blog and it's both enraging and depressing. https://poiesic.com/posts/pattern-recognition

I dont know, Id say the enraging thing is that the government is so incompetent and unable to expand electricity supply that datacenters are forced into using loopholes to get power the only way they can.

That isn't a problem of inept government, its a problem of over regulation and what amount to state-sponsored monopolies in many areas.

We don't need the government to fix it by expanding power grids from the top down, we need free markets allowing competition.

Re: Anthropic is expanding to Colossus2. Will use GB200

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Post by _heimdall »

bvcp wrote: post #167
gaze wrote: post #18

I think that's the datacenter with the gas turbine generators that operate without permits because they're "portable." Data centers have tremendous externalities but colossus is a particularly nasty offender, and not just due its size. Edit: They did it with Colossus and now they're doing the exact same thing with Colossus2. https://www.selc.org/news/xai-built-an-illegal-power-plant-t...

this is why ai in space will win

The physics of data centers in space will be extremely difficult and expensive to pull off in any meaningful timeline.

I fully expect "space AI" to be about as realistic as the flying cars and hover boards we've been promised since televisions were black and white.

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Post by _heimdall »

thelastgallon wrote: post #67
idle_zealot wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered that the march of progress requires human blood to grease the gears and mulched skulls to pave the (highly efficient) road? Really, when you take into account all of the future lives this will improve and save it's difficult to claim any cost now is too high. Would you stand in their way and delay the day that Mythos cures cancer? This is a joke. Read it in a mocking tone.

Not Anthropic, but Sam Altman - AI will solve climate change and cure all diseases.

My favorite claims are that it will solve both aging and death, whatever that means.

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Post by oblio »

skywhopper wrote: post #164
urams wrote: post #20

Very possible Elon is doing this to make give Anthropic better chances against OAI while he attempts to reshape xAI. Also possible he sees infra as the future of xAI if he really believes in the value of space compute. Hard to see this any of this as anything other than a bearish sign for Grok though.

He believes in the value of the idea of “space compute” for attracting investors to SpaceX. But the existence of the idea of “space compute” as a better way to deploy datacenters (along with everything else Musk has claimed in the past decade) should give everyone pause as to the plausibility of literally everything else he says.

> should give everyone pause as to the plausibility of literally everything else he says.

That ship has sailed, we're in the Age of Cults. If you're a believer you're probably also invested in his companies, so your mind is doubly-clouded.

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Post by oblio »

ericd wrote: post #77
jacobrast wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by etching? Google does also it's own chip design with TPUs, data centers, and models but afaik only TSMC Intel and Samsung do the actual semiconductor fabrication

Assume he's referring to SpaceX's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terafab

> Analysts estimate the costs for the full-scale facility at between US$5−13 trillion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Line,_Saudi_Arabia

Musk and MBS should hold hands.

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Post by chinathrow »

shimman wrote: post #42
georgemcbay wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, and now Anthropic is complicit in the environmental damage and health problems for local residents that these data centers are causing. But hey, number must go up, right?

Do you think Boris cares about people getting cancer and dying from these data centers? No, he cares about becoming rich as fuck.

Isn't he rich already by now?
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