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Graduates are booing pep talks on AI at college commencements

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Re: Graduates are booing pep talks on AI at college commencements

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Post by palmotea »

perching_aix wrote: post #199
palmotea wrote: post #198

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> Or do you further envision a mass genocide of the poor to go along with this? When their savings are exhausted, the problem will have a way of "taking care of itself." No gas chambers, no guns, just capitalism.

@palmotea: When their savings are exhausted, the problem will have a way of "taking care of itself." No gas chambers, no guns, just capitalism. No conflicts and uprisings? Are you sure? History would suggest people don't go down without a fight.

> No conflicts and uprisings? Are you sure? History would suggest people don't go down without a fight.

Uprising will soon be a thing of the past. We have cheap kill-drones now, and soon they'll be AI powered.

Re: Graduates are booing pep talks on AI at college commencements

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Post by perching_aix »

palmotea wrote: post #201
perching_aix wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

@palmotea: When their savings are exhausted, the problem will have a way of "taking care of itself." No gas chambers, no guns, just capitalism. No conflicts and uprisings? Are you sure? History would suggest people don't go down without a fight.

> No conflicts and uprisings? Are you sure? History would suggest people don't go down without a fight. Uprising will soon be a thing of the past. We have cheap kill-drones now, and soon they'll be AI powered.

> We have cheap kill-drones now

But then there's your genocide, isn't it?

Re: Graduates are booing pep talks on AI at college commencements

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Post by wolvesechoes »

perching_aix wrote: post #199
palmotea wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or do you further envision a mass genocide of the poor to go along with this? When their savings are exhausted, the problem will have a way of "taking care of itself." No gas chambers, no guns, just capitalism.

@palmotea: When their savings are exhausted, the problem will have a way of "taking care of itself." No gas chambers, no guns, just capitalism. No conflicts and uprisings? Are you sure? History would suggest people don't go down without a fight.

> No conflicts and uprisings? Are you sure? History would suggest people don't go down without a fight.

History also shows it happens mostly in young societies, not in those with median age getting close to 50. Old people are mostly concerned with extracting resources from young to keep their standard of life, so the latter won't just need to fight AI overlords, but their own elders as well, while being a shrinking minority.

Re: Graduates are booing pep talks on AI at college commencements

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Post by joe_mamba »

UncleMeat wrote: post #155
GrinningFool wrote: post #72

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What chances do the vast majority of those graduates have to shape what's happening? That happens at exec level at the largest companies. Everyone else gets to produce or consume what they decide on.

Exactly. I work at Google and I’m relatively high level. And I’ve got zero input into AI being shoved into every surface. What influence will these grads have?

Did your generation think you would get to have any influence?

Re: Graduates are booing pep talks on AI at college commencements

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Post by joe_mamba »

prewett wrote: post #144
harimau777 wrote: post #79

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The problem is that average people have no power to do anything. The last year has clearly demonstrated that.

Careful about that. Everybody thinks they are "average people", but I think very few people on this site are "average people". The average person has an IQ of 100, doesn't have a college degree, and makes the median income. The average people did , in fact, do something: they elected Trump. The college educated don't like it, and have the conceit that their views and values are the only real ones, and that those othe…

Preach. It's strange how the most sane objective and down to earth comments on this topic end up grayed out with no replies.

It's like people don't like hearing or speaking about the truth, so they retreat to false feel-good platitudes to make themselves feel better, when the cold harsh calculated nature of the universe continues its course without caring how you feel about it.

I think it might have to do with the HN surbase living in a bubble and having long lost the plot, or after the Tramp elections, they now actively deny what "average people" now represents so they downvote arguments like yours out of emotional response without any counter-argument because they have none. Being in denial helps nobody.

Re: Graduates are booing pep talks on AI at college commencements

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Post by ch4s3 »

slg wrote: post #151
ch4s3 wrote: post #137

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I did say rarely, and if you are looking more carefully a pluralistic democracy wasn't really what a lot of the founders were after, especially guys like Jefferson. Sure we're happy we got it, but it wasn't necessarily the aim and we got SUPER LUCKY that Washington decided to step down and retire. The former military leaders of revolutions almost never do that.

> I did say rarely And I think you have that backwards. The nonviolence movements of the mid to late 20th century are the exception more than the rule when it comes to achieving change.

There’s plenty of evidence that early states often collapsed because people just left. The dissolution of the USSR was also largely non-violent.

Re: Graduates are booing pep talks on AI at college commencements

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Post by hbogert »

GrinningFool wrote: post #72
bryan0 wrote: post #35

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> Schmidt offered a similar message to graduates: Their fear is rational, but they have the power to shape how AI develops. This doesn't sound like being baffled by it. It sounds like they are trying to shake the students and say: "fine boo, but you need do something about it." You can't just wallow and complain about it. I mean you can but it's a path to failure.

What chances do the vast majority of those graduates have to shape what's happening? That happens at exec level at the largest companies. Everyone else gets to produce or consume what they decide on.

The same generation that is using those companies for everything.

Wanting the benefits but not its downsides.

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