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Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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I don't think you got my point. I'm not criticizing anthropic for deciding to engage with the pope, I'm pointing at the state we're at where a for profit company is doing individually the work of understanding how their disruptive tech should fit in the wider world. Saving distances, it's like Glock engaging with spiritual leaders to figure out when it's ethical to kill. This should not be their area of decision, and…

I think Glock sounds silly because it's a relatively small weapon and company. But I wouldn't think it at all strange if you used, say, Oppenheimer engaging with the pope around nuclear weapons at the start of the nuclear age. Or maybe even better Enrico Fermi when he was developing nuclear reactors, since those had both the potential for cheap, clean energy and the spectre of nuclear weapons, which feels more analog…

Those are actually wonderful examples to my point, because it was the state leading the manhattan project. It is the role of the state to engage with issues such as how to handle the new discovery in terms of national security, constitutional rights, etc.

I would even argue that, for such a disrupting discovery, some sort of international approach should be considered - everything from monoply risks through energy usage to economical risks if massive unemployment is possible. We instead have private interests dealing with (or ignoring) these issues by themselves.

It's something that already misfired with the advent of social networks, where many of the current issues could have been avoided if the state had actually showed up to engage with the problem.

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Is that really the position of the Catholic Church or what is a caricature of what people think it believes? The nice thing about the Catholic Church is that required beliefs have a formal spec. For something has important as this, there would be a clear and unambiguous references. Catholic Catechism / church council / papal encyclical. Do you have a quotable reference? What I can find is only Aquinas that all living…

Only humans have immortal souls. From the Catechism (1703): > Endowed with "a spiritual and immortal" soul, The human person is "the only creature on earth that God has willed for its own sake." https://www.vatican.va/content/catechism/en/part_three/secti...

Yes, and this immortality is attributed to the immateriality of the intellectual faculties. According to this view, you can think of human death as more of an amputation of the body from the totality of the spiritual-bodily composite. Bodily resurrection is thus a restoration of the body.

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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I'm an atheist, but most of what I have heard from popes in recent years seems like sound and possibly needed advice. Also, even though I feel AI and robotics are very important for progressing humanity, I think that much of the world has long since lost a proper sense of intrinsic human value. It's really gone from overt exploitation to slightly more mild exploitation where we pretend the system is really merit base…

> I feel AI and robotics are very important for progressing humanity Why? And what does “progressing” mean, exactly? I’m not trying to be combative or flippant, I’m genuinely asking because the rest of your comment is a great argument for the opposite view. I’d argue humanity will “progress” when we collectively learn to treat each other and our environment with respect and care. When we have a sense of community wit…

> And what does “progressing” mean, exactly?

Indeed. This is characteristic of a reflexive and unthinking Progressivism that presumes the reality of some kind of nebulous, arbitrary, and ill-defined "progress", but very often denies the very basis that makes progress of any kind possible, which is teleology. In other words, Progressivism is one of the modernist idols in Nietzsche. The modern haughtily throws off the "old metaphysics" and the "old religion", but fails to notice how it has sawed off the branch it is sitting on. Its peculiar form of worship, its peculiar focus, is hollow because it has been gutted of the concepts that it draws a residual parasitic strength from. Hence, the twilight of the idols...

Postmodernism is to a large degree a reaction to the emptiness of modernism. Postmodernism is also self-refuting, but to its credit, it does respond to something very true about modernism. We are witnessing postmodernism bury the last vestiges of modernism along with itself. It is an ideological kamikaze.

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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It makes celebrating their murders and assassinations just like so much easier to cheer for!! (Yeah, it’s a problem, but they can’t see it)

What is your opinion on this quote? “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people!”

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Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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I <3 the sci-fi gods like Herbert, Heinlein and Asimov, and they all had great sci-fi takes on religion ... but Hyperion has THE best take on sci-fi religions IMHO.

It seems that is the first in his series but is that a good one to start after Dune? I’m on the last book there and, man, the pacing is questionable.

Yeah, and here I'm thinking that we're entering Dune's timeline…

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> The last one has been Sri Lanka in the 70s Sri Lanka did not become authoritarian in the 70s. It did adopt a presidential system.

It did, under Bandaranaike. In 1971 the government declared an unlawful state of emergency that stayed in force for 6 years suspending civil liberties, suppressing press freedom and giving the executive wide powers. The constitution was updated, by the parliament, the same constitution prolonged the current government mandate for two years without elections. What you're talking about are the events of 1978. And, as y…

In 1971 there was an insurrection that nearly succeeded in overthrowing the government so the emergency was initially justified.

I think we have different definition of authoritarian: yours is broader. Sri Lanka did continue to have elections and changes of government even at its worst, but I would only call it authoritarian in the period when there was clearly a lack of freedom of the press (when journalists risked being disappeared).

My definition strengthens your point as by that time Sri Lanka had a presidential system.

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I'm an atheist, but most of what I have heard from popes in recent years seems like sound and possibly needed advice. Also, even though I feel AI and robotics are very important for progressing humanity, I think that much of the world has long since lost a proper sense of intrinsic human value. It's really gone from overt exploitation to slightly more mild exploitation where we pretend the system is really merit base…

When it’s necessary for the pope to tell the orange one to calm down about wiping out a civilisation, you know things are bad.

Are you talking about the 40 years of 'death to America, death to Israel' calls from the Islamic Republican of Iran? The same regime that bragged 'we defeated/destroyed Persian culture/civilization' when they took over Iran?

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> I'm an atheist too, but I don't think religions should appeal to outsiders. Why not? When i was an agnostic I liked the Catholic church as an institution (and many other religious organisations too). > The idea is that by relaxing norms, he wants to gain more members. That is a ridiculously cynical take. People join the church, and even more the priesthood because they believe. Why would they corrupt the message to…

You seem to be responding to OP line by line instead of understanding their overall point. OP doesn't appear to be saying Catholicism ought not to grow - rather that they believe trying to appeal to a wider audience than that which is already interested in religion is likely to fail, or worse, backfire.

The overall point fails because it requires those points.

Religions grow by appealing to a wider audience than that which is already interested. That is precisely how Christianity spread in the first place.

What the Catholic Church is doing is not backfiring even in the terms of the original argument, and I would challenge the assumption that losing people is "backfiring". The church has a duty to preach what it believes to be the truth, rather than what all its members want to hear. Losing some members might not be a bad thing.

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MOST games lose huge amounts of money, and the "many" games you -- without a shred of evidence -- claim DEI caused to lose hundreds of millions are overwhelmingly offset by one single game, The Sims, earning the studio many billions of dollars, continuing to this day. And which itself inspired and gave permission and financial justification for many other inclusive games, indie to AAA, by proving there was a huge fem…

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