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Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by hilariously »

ben_w wrote: post #142
decimalenough wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's only half the author's point. The other half is that the "gate is where it always was" (= the part that's not just grinding out code to spec), and the fact that you can't vibecode a Photoshop doesn't mean AI is useless.

Indeed. But: > the fact that you can't vibecode a Photoshop doesn't mean AI is useless. I don't even think this "can't" is even a fact at this point. 24 years ago, my first major academic project, I wrote myself an image editor. In Visual Basic, because the teacher required it, and without version control because I hadn't heard of that when I was 18. It wasn't Photoshop, more like PaintShop Pro without the plugin sup…

I think its also possible, but non-technical people likely wont hill climb high enough to make this unless they are extremely motivated. Using abstraction properly to effect change, understanding breaking down the problem to extreme details and building them back up one by one. I think most of the people using AI for one shot type of things don't even know what "content aware fill" is even if they used it.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by panny »

>I feel sorry for everyone who is solely operating at Level 1 and with nothing left to contribute.

Nah, you don't. You're doing that junior developer humblebrag thing. You have to prove how good you are with the hot new thing. "Look at me, I'm better at something than the gray beards."

AI is just a tool, and a commercial one at that. You're proud of your ability to use a tool, congratulations. But you're letting it go to your head. "All those level 1s are left behind! Haha!" It's a tool. I remember being told if I didn't learn Microsoft Word there would be no jobs for me in the white collar workplace. If you won't buy Microsoft "go be a dumb tradie" or something was the implication. Sound familiar? It does to me.

And trust me, all your pride in using this tool will not be enough. There will still be someone who claims to hold level 4 or level 5. "Oh, you're just an AI user? Haha, I feel sorry for such a level 3 loser! I'm training models and tuning hyper parameters on level 50!" Because that's what insecure people do. They constantly feel a need to prove themselves, because they never reached a state of acknowledgement by their peers. They want to be one of the greats, but have never been recognized as such.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by swader999 »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #164
stevex wrote: post #34

I don't think that's the direction this is going to take. Replacing a mature app with an incredibly wide audience and a million use cases may or may not be possible, but what's actually happening is that people are making an app that does exactly what they want, and using it to solve their own needs. Previously you might use Excel to take raw data from various places and analyze it, create charts, reports, extract fi…

So LLMs are the 3d printers of software. Great for niche use-cases without enough market demand for a proper solution, and generally scale very poorly vs proper industrial processes.

I think your last half remains to be determined.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by poszlem »

eooekwe wrote: post #179
bradley13 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this. I have an acquaintence who is a wine connoisseur and collector. He has done technical project management, but does not program himself. Over the course of several months, he has produced an app that manages a database of the wines he has. It's a lot more that just a CRUD-app. In addition to maintaining the obvious data (name, year, winery, notes, etc.), it can take a photo of the label, parse it, and fi…

Much of this could be done with a spreadsheet. Not exactly revolutionary in the way you’re claiming.

Half of the current startups could be done with a speadsheet and yet they earn money.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by ses1984 »

pbalau wrote: post #185
stevex wrote: post #34

I don't think that's the direction this is going to take. Replacing a mature app with an incredibly wide audience and a million use cases may or may not be possible, but what's actually happening is that people are making an app that does exactly what they want, and using it to solve their own needs. Previously you might use Excel to take raw data from various places and analyze it, create charts, reports, extract fi…

Why do you need the AI to write a script? Why not have the AI do the work without a "script"?

A script will last forever, and doesn’t cost tokens to run.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by spwa4 »

sinaatalay wrote: post #70
spwa4 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's not. The point is that if building software is indeed way cheaper now, then someone should be able to guide AI to build Photoshop, Linux, or Excel while providing direction, but having the billions of tokens of human intelligence now provided by AI. This is not happening.

This sounds to me like saying: "if poverty has decreased, everyone should be able to buy a 40m yacht." We can now simply buy an artificial form of intelligence to solve intellectual problems. That doesn't mean we can buy our way into solving every problem in a week. Building Photoshop or Excel still has a huge intellectual cost. We can use AI to help us get there, but it won't be free, it's just getting marginally ch…

No, it sounds like saying "if poverty has decreased, I would expect the number of 40m yachts to double". I would expect Photoshop to get 5 new competitors. I get that my grandma would still not be able to do it.

That, too, we're not seeing that at all.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by recsv-heredoc »

Maybe that's not how it's being used though - Nobody needs photoshop to solve a specific focused problem.

Photoshop is a (formerly?) great toolbox. Toolboxes are good if you need to cater to a wide audience. An audience of one via bespoke software - the real revolution - doesn't need the full photoshop experience.

Countless examples previously requiring photoshop are now replaced with some ffmpeg and imagemagick pipelines written by AI daily.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by ses1984 »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #198
augment_me wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the point of the comment you are answering is that the market you are talking about has taken on a different form. The difference is that normally, people would perhaps pay a company to buy a PS license, or pay a professional to edit their images, however now this market segment will just use VLMs to edit the image to what they need.

What is "VLM"?

Very large models that aren’t large language models.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by flohofwoe »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #193
stevex wrote: post #34

I don't think that's the direction this is going to take. Replacing a mature app with an incredibly wide audience and a million use cases may or may not be possible, but what's actually happening is that people are making an app that does exactly what they want, and using it to solve their own needs. Previously you might use Excel to take raw data from various places and analyze it, create charts, reports, extract fi…

Exactly this. Anti-AI Devs/Techies have their heads in the sand or/and resorting to binary thinking when it comes to AI. No one is going to vibe code a Photoshop replacement just like no average smartphone user is going to take prize winning photographs with their phone or directly compete with professional photographs. What is going to happen is what happened to videographers and photographers and what is happening…

I have my doubts, yes there will be tinkerers who build their own apps, but this will be roughly the same crowd who today tinker with home automation, soldering or model trains as a hobby (or as Douglas Adams said: "I am rarely happier than when spending an entire day programming my computer to perform automatically a task that would otherwise take me a good ten seconds to do by hand" - just replace "programming" with "vibecoding").

I don't see 'grandma' building here own calendar app via Claude Code that reminds her of the family birthdays.

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