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Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by pocksuppet »

maccard wrote: post #189
phatfish wrote: post #172

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I will do everything in my power to keep the tech bros out of my children's life. Yes, that includes being a responsible parent. It also includes societal norms being established. Just as was done for alcohol, nicotine, movies, porn mags ect. I guarantee you are not as dedicated as me trying to protect my kids, so there will be age gates, and that includes VPNs. Everyone knows VPNs are only used for getting shit for…

> Mozilla have picked a battle that will kill off Firefox, I am now not longer interested in recommending or using it Presumably your support is for a browser developed by Google instead, as they are clearly not interested in surveillance or being in your children’s life?

Firefox forks are available, and will probably last long than Mozilla.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by pirates »

jonhohle wrote: post #185
philipallstar wrote: post #179

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Because online is global, and you can't have effective local laws against a global system. Parents don't need magic; they just need to watch what their kids use devices for, and keep the devices in public areas of the house. The main thing the state can do is stop requiring kids to have portable internet-connected devices for state schooling.

You are obviously not a parent. I lock down devices, lock down my network, then the public school gives my kid a laptop with access to nearly everything I’ve tried to filter. Even if I can successfully monitor it at home, the device is in their possession and out of my control as a parent for 6-8 hours a day. The government is literally bypassing our family rules and my ability to protect my children in the way I see…

If your kids are accessing things they know they shouldn’t, and you know they’re doing it anyway, is that it? We’re at an impasse? I really don’t want to tell anyone how to parent, but I’ll say that if I did what you described I would have been punished and/or grounded, because I knew the rules, and I knew I was breaking them.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by QuadmasterXLII »

pretzel5297 wrote: post #74

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A complementary policy is to not give six year olds publicly funded mandatory chromebooks their parents don’t control. This can reduce the pressure coming from these parents to warp and twist the web till it is safe for a six year old to have free access to an uncontrolled chromebook.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by Avamander »

maccard wrote: post #184
freedomben wrote: post #164

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While I agree with your comment at a high level, simply saying it's the parents job k thx bai is not going to cut it. Parents have to have the tools we need to do our jobs. I don't want the government touching it with a 10 foot pole, and no adults should have to give up their freedoms (these kids will be adults some day after all, so even if we're doing it "for the kids" we need to consider the world we're building f…

Parents have the tools already here in the UK. ISPs come with adult content disabled by default and someone has to opt in to it. Every major OS (Windows, Mac, iOS, android) ships with device level parental controls. Games consoles enforce these based on birth date. ISPs here also provide free network level filtering on top of that. All of this only matters if the parents don’t bypass them when asked. If a kid is dete…

> Every major OS (Windows, Mac, iOS, android) ships with device level parental controls. Games consoles enforce these based on birth date.

These are unfortunately rather half-baked and should be improved. Which is exactly what could be mandated instead of invading everyone's privacy.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by EmbarrassedHelp »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #113
Chance-Device wrote: post #84

I think this is a genuinely difficult problem that happens to look exactly like what you’d need for extended surveillance. When I think about it seriously, I end up coming up with the idea of a whitelist enforced on device for local accounts used by children. This would probably block most of the internet, and allow access only to sites that are validated as being safe. This would put a lot of pressure on sites and s…

> the idea of a whitelist enforced on device for local accounts used by children What’s wrong with making it the social media companies’ problem? If they sign up a child, they get fined. Everyone is then incentivized to come up with solutions. If some of those are shit, restrict them. If they’re not, great.

Because your "solution" creates massive privacy violations unless age verification and age assurance are banned, and result in even larger fines.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by Insimwytim »

b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #124
pretzel5297 wrote: post #74

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This wikipedia article is a great example of degenerate propaganda, that permeates anything historical/political on wikipedia.

It doesn't even worth trying to correct, since correcting would imply that it has some worthy material, which it doesn't.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by verisimi »

cowpig wrote: post #169
verisimi wrote: post #160

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Is your child my child? Should I involve myself in how you choose to bring up the child, if you espouse ideas I disagree with?

We should be involving our community members more in the exchange of ideas, and digital sources of information quite a bit less.

Why? I certainly don't think as highly of my community as you seem to. But really, what is the value you personally get from opening up your life to your community?

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by jonhohle »

pirates wrote: post #202
jonhohle wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are obviously not a parent. I lock down devices, lock down my network, then the public school gives my kid a laptop with access to nearly everything I’ve tried to filter. Even if I can successfully monitor it at home, the device is in their possession and out of my control as a parent for 6-8 hours a day. The government is literally bypassing our family rules and my ability to protect my children in the way I see…

If your kids are accessing things they know they shouldn’t, and you know they’re doing it anyway, is that it? We’re at an impasse? I really don’t want to tell anyone how to parent, but I’ll say that if I did what you described I would have been punished and/or grounded, because I knew the rules, and I knew I was breaking them.

Unfortunately, that’s not how addiction works. It’s hard to punish addiction out of anyone. Different kids have different nature and nurture, and for some kids, consequences don’t matter. I would have judged parent’s in this situation before becoming one. It’s humbling and builds empathy.

What do you do when punishment doesn’t work? When therapy doesn’t work? When strict control doesn’t work? When there is no remorse, shame, fear of repercussion, or ability to anticipate consequences or risk? When the kid has the highest IQ in the house but fails tests and doesn’t turn in homework because they don’t care about anything but their vice? When they literally spend 2 hours a day _at school_ on YouTube and games (among other things) on a device the district mandates they have?

Do you punish a child for years because they can’t function with access most people consider normal? When their siblings have all of the same access and devices and don’t have the same issues and would respond to rules and who would punishment in exactly the way you would describe?

Maybe it’s a parenting issue, but I’d like to think we’ve done far more than most parents could imagine for over a decade and come up short for one of our kids. Meanwhile 3 others are just fine.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by kavok »

pocksuppet wrote: post #200
kavok wrote: post #192

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The example you give doesn’t really track. If a drug dealer is outside the entrance of your home it’s completely unavoidable. A kid looking at adult material online? Entirely within the control of the parents. We already have filtering and monitoring software. I know several parents that limit screen time, require screen usage be restricted to public areas of the home, have parental controls and filtering operating e…

If a drug dealer is outside the entrance of your home you can avoid it by not leaving your home. What if every time you turn on the computer it shows objectionable content? It's easily avoidable by not turning on the computer. Same argument. Is it a reasonable one?

Something must be wrong with your computer. I don't see objectionable content when I turn mine on? I'd have to actively seek out objectionable content and I don't even have any sort of filtering or parental controls enabled on my own devices.
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