In the issues there is a link to another repo: https://github.com/danielcherubini/fork-a-slicer
Wonder how Bambu can prevent this kind of forks, where no code - just instructions to AI on how to build a network plugin from scratch.
Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers
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Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This isn't actually possible This is only true due to a firmware they pushed last year. It's an artificial limit. There's no reason at all a local client couldn't just talk to a local printer without any cloud. Every problem BambuLabs have here is self-inflicted. They could allow simultaneous cloud and local queue management with or without authentication.
I dont understand what the issue is. Theres not really any benefit in having cloud enabled if local is working fine. I have my bambu printer set to local only, and dont miss the cloud offer one bit.
There abusing the AGPL. At this point, it’s on principle.
Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it artificial though? They've bought a machine that executes gcode and that it does (at least to my understanding) regardless of where that gcode comes from. If you want special secret sauce gcode from the bambu cloud, you need to use the bambu cloud. Those are not the same thing, so IMO it is legit what they do there, because it's such a clear-cut split. You own the physical thing but not the ecosystem around it.…
Nice post. May I ask what you would buy instead (e.g. for the P1S)?
Uh, not really.
I wouldn't buy an alternative to a P1S, because only the P1S is the best at being the P1S. (Whatever that might entail)
Instead, I'd look at things from the perspective of "what do I want?" and not "What does the market offer? Okay, I want that thing. But no, I want an alternative to it that is that thing but without downside"
Letting a brand set your frame of reference is the first step into total dependence.
Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers
#204This looks to be a clone of the prior state of the repository that caused all the Bambu drama earlier this week. I did a ton of research because I didn't understand what people wanted here, and this is what's going on: Right now, Bambu have adjusted their system into two modalities: * "default" or "Cloud" mode, where you get an app, remote monitoring, but you have to use Bambu Studio or Bambu Connect to send prints.…
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Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers
#205It's maddening that quite a few people are jumping to defend Bambu here.
Principally if you sell a device with a certain functionality and you later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft. It does not matter the slightest bit whether you break into someone's house to physically alter the device or whether you remotely install a malicious software update to do that.
But what's even more insane here is that some people are claiming that BambooLabs would somehow have the right to do this, because while BambooLab might not have the right to limit the hardware they already sold (which they did and these people just pretend did not happen) they have the right to limit their printer client software under the license conditions they impose on it from the beginning, when their printer client is literally a modification of AGPL licensed software. The entire point of the GPL is to prevent people like BambooLabs from doing exactly this. The AGPL is literally the single license with the most restrictions on BambooLabs to ensure that the users of the software — the customers — do not have any restrictions in what they can do with it.
Some people are seeing this situation and just decide to side with the company against their customers on imposing restrictions on an already sold product after the sale and they are literally making shit up to justify it.
Edit: For people who do not know what this is about: Someone modified AGPL software to reenable features of these 3D printers that BambooLabs stole after the sale and BambooLabs sent a legal threat to them to stop distributing the software.
Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers
#206It's maddening that quite a few people are jumping to defend Bambu here. Principally if you sell a device with a certain functionality and you later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft. It does not matter the slightest bit whether you break into someone's house to physically alter the device or whether you remotely install a malicious software update to do that. But what's even…
I always put printers (2d and 3d) behind a firewall so they cannot reach the internet. This prevents auto-updates and surprises like disappearing functionality.
Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers
#207This looks to be a clone of the prior state of the repository that caused all the Bambu drama earlier this week. I did a ton of research because I didn't understand what people wanted here, and this is what's going on: Right now, Bambu have adjusted their system into two modalities: * "default" or "Cloud" mode, where you get an app, remote monitoring, but you have to use Bambu Studio or Bambu Connect to send prints.…
> This isn't actually possible This is only true due to a firmware they pushed last year. It's an artificial limit. There's no reason at all a local client couldn't just talk to a local printer without any cloud. Every problem BambuLabs have here is self-inflicted. They could allow simultaneous cloud and local queue management with or without authentication.
All of their issues are self-inflicted. What benefit is there to their cloud backend except getting around the home NAT? If you want to build your IoT product privacy-friendly, your cloud offering can be reduced to a STUN/rendezvous server and a proxy server as fallback [1]. Ship your devices with individual tokens to rate limit the proxy, have the STUN/rendezvous/proxy server address configurable and publish their source code for users to not be dependent on your continuous operation.
You can even go so far and have a public sub domain for each devices ( serialnumber.manufacturer.com ) which you only operate as a dumb proxy so that even the TLS certificates are negotiated end-to-end between the IoT device and Let's Encrypt. (The devices connect to your backend via Wireguard and you rate limit with their device individual key, whose public key you read out during the end-of-line production step.)
Hell, with today's browser heavy applications you can even run the whole slicer in the browser. Let the app be distributed via CDN so the code does not need to go through the proxy.
[1] In the case of non-battery operated and always or mostly on devices, like 3d printers at least.
Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers
#208It's maddening that quite a few people are jumping to defend Bambu here. Principally if you sell a device with a certain functionality and you later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft. It does not matter the slightest bit whether you break into someone's house to physically alter the device or whether you remotely install a malicious software update to do that. But what's even…
Is this the reverse "you wouldn't download a car"?
Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nice post. May I ask what you would buy instead (e.g. for the P1S)?
Uh, not really. I wouldn't buy an alternative to a P1S, because only the P1S is the best at being the P1S. (Whatever that might entail) Instead, I'd look at things from the perspective of "what do I want?" and not "What does the market offer? Okay, I want that thing. But no, I want an alternative to it that is that thing but without downside" Letting a brand set your frame of reference is the first step into total de…
There aren’t currently any alternatives which do an equally good job of printing, except for other Bambu products.
Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wild speculation here obviously, but it could be a regulation play--there's a lot of potential legislation that would regulate what you can legally 3D print, which would warrant a system to be the age-verification equivalent for 3D printing.
If this is the angle then I'm even more suspicious that they're secretly pushing for the legislation so when it goes into effect they'll effectively be the only game in town. This is admittedly a bit tinfoil hat, but they wouldn't be the first company to attempt to legislate away the competition.
I mean, they would not be the first big corporation to pull exactly this move.
They are also subsidized by the Chinese government and are paying for users exclusively hosting on MakerWorld. Their move is obviously complete market capture, not sustainable finances at this point.
There is a lot of things going on. We can only speculate, but it sure ain't going to benefit end users.