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Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy

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Post by za3faran »

dlubarov wrote: post #199
za3faran wrote: post #195

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The evidence is there, but some people refuse to accept. The claim is not implausible, unfortunately - it happened in other countries (e.g. Chile). Either way, their history of war crimes and atrocities goes all the way back to the start of the invasion, and continues to this day for everyone to see: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz9drj14e0lo https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed

The first link is about a dog attack, but absolutely nothing about dogs being "trained to rape". The second link is nothing specific, just an entire subreddit devoted to anti-Israel propaganda. So where is this evidence that you say exists?

Documenting war crimes is propaganda?

The first article just shows a sliver of the crimes they commit, documented by a western source. I found an article that talks about how similar crimes with dogs raping prisoners was done in Chile, so it's not far fetched at all that the israelis are doing the same.

Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy

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Post by jameshilliard »

za3faran wrote: post #169
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #141

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Israel is essentially fighting wars on multiple fronts at all times. Since they are so small and vulnerable, they have to lean more on intelligence. As a result they have the most advanced intelligence apparatus in the world, far beyond US intelligence for example. Part of their intelligence strategy, clearly, is advanced use of technology & data collection/mining/analytics. So they're gonna end up with a lot of data…

They're mass surveilling the vulnerable Palestinians they're genociding, and now turning their eyes toward Lebanon and Syria.

> They're mass surveilling the vulnerable Palestinians

This is mostly so that they can more accurately target Palestinian terrorist/militant groups that hide behind civilians(which is of course a war crime).

> now turning their eyes toward Lebanon and Syria

The Oct 7th attacks likely happened because they weren't keeping a close enough watch over Palestinians in Gaza and were overly focused on threats from Lebanon and Syria. Ultimately Israel's failure to monitor threats coming from Gaza greatly increased Palestinian civilian casualties due to a successful attack resulting in a much stronger Israeli response than a failed attack would have. Israel always considered Hezbollah to be a much bigger threat than Hamas so that's where they put most of their resources.

Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy

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Post by jameshilliard »

za3faran wrote: post #187
raxxorraxor wrote: post #183

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Hezbollah is an Iranian supported schiite fundamentalist militant group effectively controlling the south of Lebanon. Syria declared war on Israel right after its founding and it rejected multiple peace offerings since. They are anything but victims.

They are the victims. Hezbollah did not exist before the occupation. And Syria has the right to defend their neighbors against foreign invaders. https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/

> Hezbollah did not exist before the occupation.

Israel occupied parts of Lebanon due to attacks by PLO terrorists prior to Hezbollah being founded. Israel did not invade Lebanon prior to being attacked.

Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy

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Post by jameshilliard »

za3faran wrote: post #192
raxxorraxor wrote: post #191

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Not true. It is a militant fundamentalist group. In contrast to Israel that often tries to avoid civilian targets, for Hezbollah terror is the goal. There is no excuse for that, they are what they themselves claim to be and no, they don't fight for anyone's freedom and are an extension of Iranian foreign policy. Israelis aren't invaders for that matter. Most were expelled from surrounding countries, Syria and Lebanon…

They are a resistance group that was formed after the occupation of Palestine. We've seen time and time again the israelis deliberately target and snipe civilians, it's very well documented and has been happening since the beginning of the invasion. Even the NYT recently published an article about how the israelies use dogs to rape Palestinians. The invader terror regime is exposed, no justification for their crimes…

> We've seen time and time again the israelis deliberately target and snipe civilians

There is no evidence that this is in any way a deliberate Israeli policy, obviously collateral damage is going to be an issue when the enemy(Hamas) hides amongst civilians and doesn't wear military uniforms.

Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy

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Post by dlubarov »

za3faran wrote: post #201
dlubarov wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first link is about a dog attack, but absolutely nothing about dogs being "trained to rape". The second link is nothing specific, just an entire subreddit devoted to anti-Israel propaganda. So where is this evidence that you say exists?

Documenting war crimes is propaganda? The first article just shows a sliver of the crimes they commit, documented by a western source. I found an article that talks about how similar crimes with dogs raping prisoners was done in Chile, so it's not far fetched at all that the israelis are doing the same.

You said "the evidence is there" about Israeli rape dogs, not some other allegation. An incident that has nothing to with rape isn't evidence, nor is an incident that happened in an entirely different country.

Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy

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Post by rbanffy »

jameshilliard wrote: post #202
za3faran wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're mass surveilling the vulnerable Palestinians they're genociding, and now turning their eyes toward Lebanon and Syria.

> They're mass surveilling the vulnerable Palestinians This is mostly so that they can more accurately target Palestinian terrorist/militant groups that hide behind civilians(which is of course a war crime). > now turning their eyes toward Lebanon and Syria The Oct 7th attacks likely happened because they weren't keeping a close enough watch over Palestinians in Gaza and were overly focused on threats from Lebanon an…

> This is mostly so that they can more accurately target Palestinian terrorist/militant groups that hide behind civilians(which is of course a war crime).

The mass casualties of children are a strong indicator that the targeting is not accurate. Government officials and elected representatives have repeatedly advocated for the assassination of all Palestinians.

Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy

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Post by rbanffy »

tdeck wrote: post #190
urikaduri wrote: post #185

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Why would you need surveilance in a genocide? Seems contradictory.

So there was no surveillance during the Holocaust then?

I think the main difference is that the nazis built entire factories and supply chains to more effectively use their limited resources, while Israel, being funded largely by the US, has no such constraints and can use military equipment to, to use an American figure of language, shoot fish in a barrel.

What the Israeli government is doing is, at best, unconscionable.

Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy

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Post by rbanffy »

bhouston wrote: post #56

For those that do not know, this is part of the fallout of this Microsoft investigation from 2025 into the misuse of Azure services in Israel for military purposes: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/09/microsoft-blo...

If these are resources located in the EU, there are a lot of additional criminal liabilities that will need investigation.

Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy

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Post by rbanffy »

_alternator_ wrote: post #60
tptacek wrote: post #47

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There are certainly people involved in the Israeli government that have expressed genocidal intent. The problem is that you can say that about basically every state in the world. It can't be the case that the moment a state commits an ethnically-targeted war crime it is per se committing genocide because you can find someone in the majority, the opposition, or the administrative state that has embraced genocidal logi…

I'm no genocide expert, but it does seem like legal scholars who _are_ genocide experts agree that the facts here seem to clearly meet the bar. The people who you credit with "hav[ing] the better side of the legal argument" do not seem, from my vantage, to be arguing in good faith. They are trying to bog us down in semantics when a truly horrifying crime is happening, and saying that we can't call a horse a horse is…

> The problem at the core remains global antisemitism; it's the reason Israel needed (and still needs!) to exist, and the reason Jews globally feel threatened

I don’t think a genocide helps with antisemitism at all. In fact, by engaging in such horrific acts, the Israeli government makes an effective argument against the existence of any ethnostate.

I am not sure the continued existence of Israel as a local military power serves the interests of the Jewish diaspora.

> A central cause is antisemitism; if we could somehow find a solution to that

I say that with a heavy heart, and I don’t offer solutions at this point in history. The current status quo is unsustainable in the long term.

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