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California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Re: California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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irishcoffee wrote: post #199
mikeyouse wrote: post #121

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Nearly all US homes have 240V to the electric panel, and some have it for specific places in the house (though many places are almost entirely gas dryers/ovens), but you would need a special outlet run to charge your car at 240V since almost all regular receptacles are 120v. Even the heavy duty receps in garages and utility spaces are most often just 20A/120V instead of the standard 15A/120V. Quotes for a new 240V li…

I've run 2 different 240v lines in my house, to code, for the cost of the wire and the breaker. It isn't hard. :)

I’ve done the same, ran a new 100A feed to a subpanel by the pool as well.. but that’s probably 1/100 home owners comfortable with doing so?

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Post by Sabinus »

traderj0e wrote: post #179
edmundsauto wrote: post #51

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Isn’t it more dependent on how Trump is feeling? That makes it much more depressing for the leader of the country to be messing with our largest economy like this.

I began assuming long ago that Trump is just manipulating markets. Like my finances are managed under that assumption.

He was the anti corruption and anti war President and look what we got instead.

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Post by rickydroll »

jsbisviewtiful wrote: post #168
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #147

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Sure but do you recall what LA looked like in the 80's? The gas is more expensive but the unseen cost of that level of pollution is very high. The gov can solve all future gas problems with EV subsidies and manufacturers can help solve this problem by making affordable EVs, but getting the current admin or manufacturers to do either seems like a cruel joke at this point. The fed is going as far as to deny Chinese car…

Boston had a similar problem. I remember more than once coming over Belmont Hill on Route 2 and seeing this gray-brown cloud sitting over the city with the Prudential Building sticking up out of it.

The problem with Chinese imports and the American auto industry gives me serious flashbacks to the 1970s, when cheap Japanese compacts came in and took business away from American automakers.

Seems to me the American auto industry can't learn to adapt until some foreign competitor comes in and repeatedly kicks them in the nuts.

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Post by tzs »

daedrdev wrote: post #36
rconti wrote: post #31

I'm a bit perplexed on this one-- Yes, we refine our own blend of gasoline, but it's based on market oil -- nothing about the war we started with Iran impacts our domestic refining capability. Also, oil takes longer to get from Iran to the west coast than to the east coast. Shouldn't the east coast be the first to notice decreased shipments, because the west coast essentially has a stock still in transit for longer?…

CA’s requirement that it gets its own blend of gas is combined with how its openly hostile towards its ever decreasing refineries and that it is impossible for a new refinery to ever open makes it’s supplies absurdly limited

There has been no major refineries opened in the US since 1977. There have been a handful of small refineries in the 2010s and early 2020s in California, North Dakota, and Texas.

How do you know California's lack of new refineries is due to California hostility rather than being due to whatever caused the same lack in every other state?

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Post by irishcoffee »

mikeyouse wrote: post #201
irishcoffee wrote: post #199

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I've run 2 different 240v lines in my house, to code, for the cost of the wire and the breaker. It isn't hard. :)

I’ve done the same, ran a new 100A feed to a subpanel by the pool as well.. but that’s probably 1/100 home owners comfortable with doing so?

I’m a huge advocate for discouraging learned helplessness. I’m not special, I can run wires and connect them properly, I can do brakes/calipers/plugs on a car (and a lot more, self-taught, but anyone has the ability to do those).

When you realize as a software person everyone thinks what you do is black magic (someone told me that today actually, and I told them I could teach them if they wanted to learn), and then you realize that thinking of wiring, plumbing as black magic isn’t true, a whole world opens up.

It’s liberating really, I highly encourage everyone to try and learn these skills.

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Post by xethos »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #169
jst1fthsdys wrote: post #165

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Prices just shot up over a dollar nationally and no one is burning anything down. The real "let them eat cake" is the biggest polluters externalizing the costs of that pollution down to the people, all while the state is dismantling the EPA and clean energy. Imagine if we had real public transportation across the nation. Less pollution AND cheaper for the average person. Wonder why that isn't happening.

> Wonder why that isn't happening Because the US is overwhelmingly urban sprawl and is not Europe. The only way to fix this is to tear down and rebuild (which we cannot afford), or accept that public transit wait times are terribly slow due to the distance between stops. Combine that with a lack of nerve to aggressively combat crime or antisocial behavior on transit, maybe a fear of perpetuating inequality or somethi…

Between the US and Canada, Canada (with it's population the size of California) has three out of four of the highest-ridership light rail systems.

Blaming sprawl or population count, while being outshone by Canada, means it's neither of the above. Perhaps we can move on to the auto companies pushing out light rail in California in the fifties to bump their own profits, or accept that it's the American people and their ethos that has left the automobile as the claimed only option.

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Post by xethos »

dvh wrote: post #174
josuepeq wrote: post #17

Soon gas stations in the Bay Area will have to price Gasoline in quarts, because the gas pumps can only display up to $9.99.

Maybe this would be a good time to switch to metric system and use liters

"The United States switched to Metric to show smaller numbers at the pump", due to a surge in gas prices, caused by a war in the Middle East started for fabricated reasons, would be the most on-brand thing for America I can think of

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Post by com2kid »

relaxing wrote: post #197
com2kid wrote: post #128

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I fully understand the 240 vs 120 in US houses. The difference is other countries have 240 running everywhere. So apartment garages can have cars charging (slower than the max possible speed but faster than if they were on 120v), without tens of thousands of dollars in retrofits. I just got an estimate of 3k for running basically 6ft of conduit for a new 240v line in my own garage (my breaker is right next to my door…

That’s insane. I just paid $800 for a much longer run, materials and labor.

Seattle has absurd labor costs.

Just the needed permits are a couple hundred.

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