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Grand Theft Oil Futures: Insider traders keep making a killing at our expense

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Re: Grand Theft Oil Futures: Insider traders keep making a killing at our expense

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Arguably people who voted for Trump are somewhat responsible, and include a lot of car drivers. (Not to imply that many Democrat politicians aren't also owned by AIPAC and big business.)

I didn’t vote for Trump but I don’t blame the voters. I don’t think many people foresaw him doing this on either side of the political aisle. Other stuff we disapprove of, yes. But not this. I say that because he had famously resisted to enter extended conflict in his first term. Maybe he wanted to but now has the chance since he’s in his final years. (At least, I hope it’s his final years.) But I didn’t hear anyone…

Anyone with half a brain knows Trump is an actual idiotic person. So yes, we could foresee him doing this, because it was a dumb fucking plan and Trump is the dumbest person who has ever been president.

Re: Grand Theft Oil Futures: Insider traders keep making a killing at our expense

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The war must continue in order to bring us to the status quo that was in place before we started the war. I hope that everyone responsible for this is enjoying every cent of what they get to pay at the pumps.

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Re: Grand Theft Oil Futures: Insider traders keep making a killing at our expense

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post #54

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The war must continue in order to bring us to the status quo that was in place before we started the war. I hope that everyone responsible for this is enjoying every cent of what they get to pay at the pumps.

A lot of Trump supporters, including Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, and Dave Smith, voted for him because of his anti-war stance during campaigning. I’m not defending their poor judgement of an infamous con artist (I didn’t vote for Trump) but we should ask ourselves how democracy can function if candidates can just make things up during campaigns and do the complete opposite when they’re elected. We should also ask ours…

> Tucker Carlson

I'd just like to remind everyone that this guy got fired from Fox News for being too extreme an idealogue.

> I’m not defending their poor judgement of an infamous con artist

At some point you have to hold adult Republicans accountable for their actions. They were warned repeatedly; they chose to ignore the warnings.

> ask how it’s possible that such unpopular wars always seem to have bipartisan support

Americans love war and guns! This is like, #1 national characteristic as observed by other nations. Especially because America always wins in the movies! The reason Americans are complaining about the Iran war and not the illegal Venezuelan invasion or whatever is because they are losing.

(who on earth is Dave Smith?)

Re: Grand Theft Oil Futures: Insider traders keep making a killing at our expense

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If you are trading in the futures market and you don't have inside info or are not an actual supplier of the commodity, you are the sucker.

That logic would also extend to individual stocks, wouldn’t it?

I suppose if you're shorting or trading options generally, yes to some extent.

Re: Grand Theft Oil Futures: Insider traders keep making a killing at our expense

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The worst part is the sharp changes in the price being traded aren't achieved by magic but rather with guns & actual human suffering

The war must continue in order to bring us to the status quo that was in place before we started the war. I hope that everyone responsible for this is enjoying every cent of what they get to pay at the pumps.

they earned millions off it, how would they even feel fuel price ?

Re: Grand Theft Oil Futures: Insider traders keep making a killing at our expense

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It's a tax. I don't know if you specifically are one of the "taxation is theft" types, but it's absolutely wild how many of these are totally cool with the tax if it's funding insider trading payouts but not if it's paying for poor person healthcare or whatever.

In the absence of the insider trader selling you oil futures on the basis of his insider knowledge, what would you do? You'd buy oil futures at broadly the same price from someone else (maybe a worse price! Because the presence of the insider selling is already driving the price down). So how exactly do you lose? The only people who lose out are those whose limit orders don't get filled because the insider outbid the…

I'd say the entire market loses out on insider trading except for the two parties involved in the insider trade. The insider trades take away a part of the profit margin that other good faith future providers need to justify the risk they take on by offering the futures. This leads to future providers needing to raise the prices of futures to remain profitable.

Re: Grand Theft Oil Futures: Insider traders keep making a killing at our expense

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post #43

The worst part is the sharp changes in the price being traded aren't achieved by magic but rather with guns & actual human suffering

Someone has taken the Rothschild motto too literally: “Buy when there is blood in the streets, even if it is your own.” — Baron Nathan Rothschild https://medium.com/@douglasp.schwartz/buy-when-theres-blood-...

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Re: Grand Theft Oil Futures: Insider traders keep making a killing at our expense

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Welcome to the world of commodity trading. There is no SEC here, and this is business as usual. You can look at T&S to see this for yourself, but this is (like it or not) how this typically goes in commodity markets.

Commodity trading is managed by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission CFTC and a criminal probe into this started last month.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-probes-suspicious...

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