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Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by lokar »

esyir wrote: post #181
2ndorderthought wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. If you cannot both safely and legally provide the thing you are selling you are no longer a legitimate company you are a criminal enterprise profiting off of exploitation.

If car manufacturers cannot bring car related deaths to zero, they too should no longer be legitimate companies.

A better comparison would be that if a car company can’t meet preexisting crash/safety standards, they need to shut down.

These are pretty clear laws established by a democratic government with a pretty good record for rule of law.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by throwpoaster »

woodson wrote: post #183
2ndorderthought wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep gotta bake in that personal data into generative models so it can be reproduced later for profit.

Why generative? Or has it been decided that only generative models are “AI”?

What kind of model "reproduce"s things later for profit that is not generative?

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by throwpoaster »

msh wrote: post #156
prepend wrote: post #133

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Is it illegal or immoral? Having Meta review this material has to be approved by users and has their consent. There was an example in the article where a user’s glasses kept recording the user’s wife after he took them off. That’s bad but on the user, not Facebook. Seems similar to a situation where someone takes nudes of someone without their consent and then sends them off to a lab to be printed. The lab isn’t doin…

Is there explicit approval? Or is it buried in the legal agreements?

Legal agreements are explicit.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by SlinkyOnStairs »

cyanydeez wrote: post #114
SlinkyOnStairs wrote: post #69

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"Fun" bonus fact: This isn't the first time Sama (the outsourcing company) has had these problems. OpenAI had them classify CSAM, so Sama fired them as a client back in 2022. https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers/ We're 4 years on, 3 years since that report broke. Not a single thing has improved about how tech companies operate.

Isn't it more that tech companies are just more high profile and integral to political and social landscape than older companies; but reviewing the current political zeitgeist, they're in lockstep to what some, if not all, would just call fascism?

Companies of the 20th century certainly weren't more ethical. (Though a few select tech companies seem to be intent on proving the opposite.)

But it's not really a fascism thing. While fascism does love the oppression of women, and the current crop of fascists have a notable connection to the Epstein case, this is a lot more boring.

Sam Altman's not a fascist, he's a wet noodle who sucks up to the Trump administration for money. He's not even good at it. The way his company handled CSAM does cast aspersions on Altman & the accusations from his sister, but all other evidence suggests he's just a moron acting recklessly. Not identifying the problem ahead of time, and acting poorly in response.

In the case of Meta. We know who Zuckerberg is. The company got it's start as, in crude terms, a sex pest website. The original "Facemash" website forcibly taken down by Harvard. This is not some new consequence of this turn to fascism, Zuckerberg's always been like this, and the actions taken against him were clearly not enough to avoid the company culture following his precedent.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by loeg »

cwillu wrote: post #195

> Meta's glasses have a light in the corner of the frames that is turned on when the built-in camera is recording. Because nobody knows how to put a dot of nail polish on an led they don't want seen, right?

There is some detection for obstructing the LED. It's a little more clever than you assume.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by intended »

ryandrake wrote: post #107
redbell wrote: post #48

> "We see everything - from living rooms to naked bodies ," one worker reportedly said. > Meta said this was for the purpose of improving the customer experience, and was a common practice among other companies. Am I reading this correctly?! This is probably the weirdest statement I've read on the internet in twenty years.

> > Meta said this was for the purpose of improving the customer experience, and was a common practice among other companies. > Am I reading this correctly?! This is probably the weirdest statement I've read on the internet in twenty years. It's total fantasy. I've worked in big tech. Casually uploading and providing company/contractor access to non-redacted intimate photos or pictures of the insides of people's home…

I’ve worked in trust and safety - for me this is stupid, but well below the threshold of impossible.

Hell, I know of a major firm that decided QA was not needed for their trust and safety process.

Another common issue will be SEA Arabic speakers tasked with labelling Middle Eastern Arabic content, because accents and cultural dialects are not a thing.

I’ve had people at FAANG firms cry on my shoulder, because they couldn’t get access to engineering resources at their own firms.

There was the famous case of meta executives overriding T&S policy and telling them that what content was news worthy during the Boston bombing. On a separate incident, they told their team that cartel violence was not newsworthy when friends in London complained about it.

When you say this is fantasy, what do you mean precisely?

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Post by 2ndorderthought »

esyir wrote: post #181
2ndorderthought wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. If you cannot both safely and legally provide the thing you are selling you are no longer a legitimate company you are a criminal enterprise profiting off of exploitation.

If car manufacturers cannot bring car related deaths to zero, they too should no longer be legitimate companies.

Do car companies sell cars without air bags, or seat belts? What about cars that haven't been crash tested? What happens to them if they don't do this do you think?

Would you drive a car optimized for profit that didn't have those safety features? How about on a highway? Daily?

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

esyir wrote: post #181
2ndorderthought wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. If you cannot both safely and legally provide the thing you are selling you are no longer a legitimate company you are a criminal enterprise profiting off of exploitation.

If car manufacturers cannot bring car related deaths to zero, they too should no longer be legitimate companies.

When FORD dngaf with the Pinto and Corsair( like tech companies do not gaf), they deservedly got this same level of contempt/demand for oversite. A dude named Ralph Nader went on a huge crusade about it. And they got a ton more oversite, safety requirements, etc put on them.

So yes, yes, let's do like we did with cars.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by intended »

hosteur wrote: post #153
swiftcoder wrote: post #85

One of the bigger commercial niches for smart glasses is filming POV porn, so it is hardly surprising that sort of content ended up in the moderation queue. The project should have planned to account for that use case.

Why is there even a “ moderation queue”? Isn’t this people’s private recordings?

I’m betting this is going to some ML / Data labelling pipeline.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by esyir »

2ndorderthought wrote: post #207
esyir wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If car manufacturers cannot bring car related deaths to zero, they too should no longer be legitimate companies.

Do car companies sell cars without air bags, or seat belts? What about cars that haven't been crash tested? What happens to them if they don't do this do you think? Would you drive a car optimized for profit that didn't have those safety features? How about on a highway? Daily?

We're talking about CSAM right? Which all platforms remove proactively, build models to remove and essentially always respond to when informed.

Demanding some perfect immediate magic response there is the equivalent of asking car manufacturers to prevent all deaths.

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