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Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by aa-jv »

paleotrope wrote: post #153
aa-jv wrote: post #66

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Short time? No, the US has been losing its stance in the world since the illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003, murdering a million people in cold blood on the basis of outright lies. It has been downhill ever since then. The support for the Gaza genocide is just one in a long list of atrocities for which the American state is responsible, and for which the entire world is starting to hold America responsible. The rest of…

Today it's Iran, or maybe Iraq 2003. Or maybe those pharma factories in Sudan in the 90s. Or perhaps the Serbia bombing. Or maybe Iraq 1991. Or again Panama in 88. Or maybe Grenada. Or maybe Laos. Cambodia. Vietnam. Haiti. Japan. China. Phillipines. Cuba. etc. It's always something. We are always losing our stance.

Yeah, maybe you should, as a citizen, start holding your war criminals accountable for their crimes.

You can't keep buying the worlds' love with trinkets while murdering its children, Americans.

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Post by brazzy »

spwa4 wrote: post #158
brazzy wrote: post #47

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> Historically, they ... you can say Europe was more peaceful than places like the areas of the ottoman empire Um... WHAT ? I'll just leave this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe

Yep. Really. As I said, not because Europe was very peaceful (although most of these conflicts were extremely underwhelming if compared to what ended the era: WW1)

Everything everywhere ever (except perhaps some of the larger wars in China) was underwhelming compared to WW1. That's why it's so famous.

But you were specifically claiming that Europe was "more peaceful than places like the areas of the ottoman empire", which is frankly absurd. I mean, we're talking about a region that had a Thirty Years' War, an Eighty Years' War, and a Hundred Years' War!

Unless... if you're talking about WW1 "ending the era" - were you talking only about a shorter timeframe prior to WW1? If we look only at the 40 or so years before 1914, then indeed Europe had a fairly peaceful period (Belle Époque, Gründerzeit) while the Ottoman Empire was basically starting its death throes.

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Post by GJim »

halJordan wrote: post #172
ragebol wrote: post #163

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In a functioning democracy, this should not be possible. There should be check and balances. Reading a bit about Wilhelm II: so many parallels indeed. "Dreamt of a great colonial power", had to deal with some form of democracy, making incoherent replies, ... And more.

No it should definitely be possible in a functioning democracy (and is because it happened in one). It would not be possible with an educated electorate. But that's different from what you said

> It would not be possible with an educated electorate.

A free and impartial press is vital for democracy to work (how else do you know who to vote for). However the current state of American news media leaves a lot to be desired..... Abandonment of the broadcast media 'fairness doctrine' for one thing.

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Post by m000 »

general1465 wrote: post #137
m000 wrote: post #85

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Russia would conquer Eastern Europe and reestablish Eastern Block and USSR if they would not be stuck in Ukraine. It is not even a secret, Putin himself stated those goals. He does not want some part of Donbas of whatever, he wants WHOLE Ukraine all the way to Uzhghorod. https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2025/12/21/us-intelligence-putin-...

> Russia would conquer Eastern Europe and reestablish Eastern Block and USSR

This is BS regurgitated by people that can't let go of the cold war, because their self-importance is tied to the era.

Anyone with half-brain can see that USSR had the various CPs as means of establishing and maintaining control over other countries. Russia does not have any equivalent apparatus. Relying on military power alone, they can't reach much further than their backyard. And Putin is smart enough to understand this (unlike Trump).

> Putin himself stated those goals

Says an article titled with "US Intelligence:", based on Russia's refusal to concede territory in a war they may not be outright winning, but they're definitely not losing.

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Post by flohofwoe »

traderj0e wrote: post #176
flohofwoe wrote: post #36

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So no more US military bases in Europe then? No more trade with a market of 500 million people? No more cooperation on science and research? Nothing of the current US isolationism makes any goddamn longterm sense for the US. Europe and the rest of the world will be fine, mostly. Just please don't start any wars that mess up the global economy like you just did. Thanks.

You don't need a military alliance to have trade.

The current US isolationism isn't restricted to military matters, it also affects trade (see all the disastrous tradewars that had been started by the US in recent months).

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Post by koonsolo »

Fnoord wrote: post #195
koonsolo wrote: post #107

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I hope you're French, otherwise you are still relying on US defense.

I mean, everyone relies on everyone in a world economy, you need to come up with examples. You mean nuclear deterrence? The French are going to share their nuclear deterrence with the rest of the EU.

So Germany will depend on France for their nuclear deterrence then.

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Post by koonsolo »

AntiUSAbah wrote: post #119
koonsolo wrote: post #107

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I hope you're French, otherwise you are still relying on US defense.

I'm german and as you just read in the article, Rheinmentall is a german company. And from whom do i depend on US defense? Against Russia? Who can barely make it in Ukraine? Middle east were everyone is fighting everyone and were Iran is very very pissed at the USA? Tell me what defense do i need against whom?

You don't think nuclear deterrence has a place in a modern defense strategy? If not, then I don't see the point in discussing this further.

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Post by Yizahi »

GJim wrote: post #204
halJordan wrote: post #172

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No it should definitely be possible in a functioning democracy (and is because it happened in one). It would not be possible with an educated electorate. But that's different from what you said

> It would not be possible with an educated electorate. A free and impartial press is vital for democracy to work (how else do you know who to vote for). However the current state of American news media leaves a lot to be desired..... Abandonment of the broadcast media 'fairness doctrine' for one thing.

The problem with this situation in USA is not quite only because of media. Why did Congress instantly caved under the threat and even imposed a self censorship on itself to prevent any minority dissent (the case of "let's make whole year 2025 a single legal day, to prevent opposition vote" a year ago). It's because they are afraid to not be elected under threat of MAGA. And why is that? Because the election system is very not democratic in the USA. First past the post is already very bad system. No alternative parties, no open election lists, a huge legal lobbying/bribing allowed preventing electing independents. Etc. So the top commenter is right - democracy or even a semblance of one would have mitigated this disaster a lot, by protecting "checks and balanced" from being dismantled by a dictator.

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Post by Fnoord »

koonsolo wrote: post #207
Fnoord wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, everyone relies on everyone in a world economy, you need to come up with examples. You mean nuclear deterrence? The French are going to share their nuclear deterrence with the rest of the EU.

So Germany will depend on France for their nuclear deterrence then.

Yes, indeed. Although on paper UK also joins this venture, they depend on USA for their nuclear arsenal (subs).

On the long-term, EU might need more nuclear weapons for adequate deterrence, and also FR might not be so stable given alt-right over there. So any integration needs to be stable on paper.

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