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Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by greggoB »

gleenn wrote: post #189
kakacik wrote: post #182

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Exactly this. Words are cheap these days, people do say various things to further their goals. Days where leaders stood by their words as sort of moral testament of their character are gone, probably for good. As we see many people will do or say just about anything to get more money, prestige or power.

So what is the best system to get people to be invested in the general welfare of all people? What are we supposed to do?

Your question seems to imply that people have to be corralled towards a specific action, which to me comes across as rather cynical.

Why is it not possible to lay out your arguments honestly and let people decide on the merits?

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by RobotToaster »

TZubiri wrote: post #147
saghm wrote: post #67

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I don't buy this premise. Nothing stops a company from trying to hide ads in the first place, and plenty of them do. Ad blockers for web content have been a thing for years, and using an ad blocker has continued to be strictly a better experience regardless of how many "organic" ads are present on a page.

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You're assuming 2 and 3 are mutually exclusive.

Even if they have 2, they can still make even more money by also including 3, so almost certainly will do so.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by wyre »

goosejuice wrote: post #46
wyre wrote: post #23

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Tavily, Exa, Firecrawl, Perplexity, and Linkup are all tools for agents to search the web. I’ve been building a harness the past few months and supports them all out of the box with an API key.

Kagi also has an API. People who hate ads are probably the same folk that should be paying for Kagi. That's the sane alternative world where companies respect their users.

Oh, you got me so excited. I've had a Kagi sub for 3 years, but their API is still in closed beta. I guess I could (and should reach out and ask for access).

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

notarobot123 wrote: post #191
kakacik wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this. Words are cheap these days, people do say various things to further their goals. Days where leaders stood by their words as sort of moral testament of their character are gone, probably for good. As we see many people will do or say just about anything to get more money, prestige or power.

For now but not for good. Neglecting moral character works as a shortcut for maybe a generation or two. But that path leads to destruction and decay eventually. It can't last.

Thank you. Agreed. There are some practical limits to that path. It works in the current ecosystem partially because the resulting degradation is slow, but it is built upon societal trust. Once it is gone, it will be rather painful to restore. A new new deal will be needed, so to speak ( political evocation is accidental, but it is too late for me to coherently rewrite ).

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by dopa42365 »

Enginerrrd wrote: post #137
peddling-brink wrote: post #63

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"OpenAI Powered Drone Destroys Elementary School, Hundreds of Children Dead" might last a while.

I mean Palantir’s targeting product led to EXACTLY that outcome and it seems to have been largely forgotten already, and they managed to avoid a lot of bad press about it.

There's no evidence that it wasn't one of those Iranian generic Tomahawk™ missiles!

When Germany last cooked 150 civilians we also investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong (could happen to anyone, really), but at least some minister had the decency to retire afterwards.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

greggoB wrote: post #201
gleenn wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what is the best system to get people to be invested in the general welfare of all people? What are we supposed to do?

Your question seems to imply that people have to be corralled towards a specific action, which to me comes across as rather cynical. Why is it not possible to lay out your arguments honestly and let people decide on the merits?

I think, part of the issue is that, as a mass of humans, we tend to be rather dumb. And they certainly don't decide on merits, in aggregate. It is somewhat questionable if they decide on merits even as individuals ( unless we expand the definition somewhat ). But it is possible I got too cynical.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by FeteCommuniste »

ulimn wrote: post #194
goobatrooba wrote: post #187

Gemini and Copilot are already full of ads, pushing the companies ' own services. I guess the only difference is here that OpenAI has nothing else to push, so they have to use external ads.

Do you have some source I could read on this? I don't really use Gemini but I would be interested to know more.

I've been using Gemini a couple months and haven't noticed it pushing Google products at all.

I did ask it some scientific questions about gemstones and it seemed to want me to buy sapphires, lol. Sorry, Google, that's outside my budget.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by SquareWheel »

tikotus wrote: post #188
torben-friis wrote: post #62

These are the less worrying kind of ads in our future. Seeing how google has been fighting SEO for ages, what's going to happen when companies figure out how to inject ads into the model? We haven't yet seen the problem of adversarial content in play, I think.

I've had two people reach out to me asking about one of my services. They both said ChatGPT recommended it to them. My service does kind of exist. It's a small tool I created for a client while retaining full rights to the tool. So I created (vibe coded) a site around it, making it look like an established service. Even ran google ads for it for a while. The service still doesn't show up on google with relevant searc…

> Did vibe coding the business page inject it into ChatGPT's training data?

No, at least not directly. Inference does not train models. It is possible that OpenAI may separately collect the chat data, clean it, and feed it back into the model for future iterations. Or they could have extracted URLs for future indexing.

More likely though, I suspect, is your site just managed to be indexed naturally, and LLMs are very efficient at matching obscure data to relevant queries.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

michaelt wrote: post #190
TZubiri wrote: post #52

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Blocking transparent ads is not a good idea. The consequence is that you will be fed opaque ads.

> Blocking transparent ads is not a good idea. The consequence is that you will be fed opaque ads. Doesn't history show us you just get both? You pay to get into the movies, then they show you adverts before the film, then the film includes paid product placement of cars, computers, phones, food, etc. You watch youtube ads, to see a video containing a sponsored ad read, where a guy is woodworking using branded tools…

> Doesn't history show us you just get both?

No. "Opaque ads" are usually heavily regulated out of existence by government legislation.

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