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Supreme Court to hear arguments in landmark Roundup weedkiller case

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Re: Supreme Court to hear arguments in landmark Roundup weedkiller case

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Isn't there some bureaucratic way to just tie up the Supreme Court for three years? Their rulings have been extremely damaging and we need a sane balance to return before important stuff like this ends up being decided.

Alito and Thomas are retiring while Trump is in office.

Don't underestimate the power of "this is my seat!" in decision making.

See, for example, Justice Ginsburg.

Re: Supreme Court to hear arguments in landmark Roundup weedkiller case

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Yes, yes, let's imagine automated turbo communism where all inventions can be made outside the free market. Here in the real world, private firms are the source of things like this. Roundup Ready soybeans involved cooperation from multiple private firms that contributed various elements.

That's the same line Private Equity often trots out, and those seem to corrode the world far more than they improve it.

Wow. If a correct argument is made by a morally compromised actor, we can dismiss the argument! Logic is wonderful.

Re: Supreme Court to hear arguments in landmark Roundup weedkiller case

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Source that it is legal to keep the profits and the plants from a patented crop that can’t be prove you have intentionally planted it there? As far as I understand Montosanto claims it would always belong to them no matter how the seed ended up there.

There is absolutely no case law suggesting it is illegal to harvest and keep accidentally cross contaminated seed. Seeing as farming seeds is default legal there would need to be precedent otherwise for such an act to be illegal.

There is patent law. Patent law says you can't do the patented thing without the license. Growing the seeds is patented. So you can't grow them without license. This may be so obvious that it never needed to become a notable precedent-setting case.

Re: Supreme Court to hear arguments in landmark Roundup weedkiller case

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Bindweed is evil incarnate in plant form. Wouldn't wish that on anybody.

We hand some log droughts here about 10 years ago where you were not allowed to water the lawn at all. I would have expected a single dominate weed to take over, but instead, if I let the grass grow for 6-8 weeks in summer I get this amazing field of different knee length plants. And it alive with bee's and butterflies. I much prefer it to lawn.

You must not live under an HOA. They'll fine you for not making your house look the same as everyone else's.

Re: Supreme Court to hear arguments in landmark Roundup weedkiller case

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The best-reasoned criticism of glyphosate is that it disrupts the gut biome (this is a fact). I suspect that many "gluten allergies" are actually gut biome problems from glyphosate-desiccated wheat.

I will never understand this bizarre obsession with gut flora. We don't know what is normal, what is a beneficial ratio or when a change happens if that is good or bad thing. No one besides the people who study these things should be much attention to gut microbiomes. We just don't have enough information to let this be an influence on decision making.

“I don’t understand it well enough in my opinion so we shouldn’t care about it”?

I’m pretty sure there’s hundreds of things we rightly understood are detrimental centuries before we knew how it worked. Aka pretty much everything bad before 1900.

Re: Supreme Court to hear arguments in landmark Roundup weedkiller case

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Why not? A fecal transplant seems to work for C. difficile sufferers.

A fecal transplant definitely doesn't work for celiac disease, which is the only gluten intolerance you have to worry about. Other gluten intolerance is probably not gluten, gluten is just a close enough proxy. Could be FODMAP + IBS or maybe some other sensitivity.

Why are you narrowly focusing on gluten intolerance when this line of comments appears to be denying whether gut biome is worth caring about due to having impacts on health?

Re: Supreme Court to hear arguments in landmark Roundup weedkiller case

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These aren't labeling cases. Durnell is the one the Supreme Court took, but it's one of tens of thousands. John Durnell sued Monsanto in Missouri state court after getting non-Hodgkin's lymphoma from twenty years of spraying Roundup as the "spray guy" for his neighborhood, and the jury gave him $1.25 million for his cancer, not a fine for a missing sticker. The legal theory is "failure to warn," but that's a tort cla…

I didn't say they had to pay a fine; I said they lost the strict-liability duty to warn claim, one of three, which requires Monsanto in that state to warn of any potential risks known at the time of manufacture. I think we're all clear it's a tort claim!

But you did imply they were labeling cases. That is not the case and the basis of my response.

Re: Supreme Court to hear arguments in landmark Roundup weedkiller case

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propaganda /prŏp″ə-găn′də/ noun The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause. ...my use seems to fit the definition to me. You are applying personal emotional bias to a very plain stated definition.

> my use seems to fit the definition to me Where is that definition from? It lacks key elements of the definition, notably, an agenda. Your operating definition would turn the teaching of evolution (or frankly, any education or broadly-communicated message) into propaganda. That isn’t a serious claim. If it is for someone, that person’s definition of propaganda isn’t the generally-accepted one, which means it’s uncle…

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Re: Supreme Court to hear arguments in landmark Roundup weedkiller case

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Why is that a desired outcome?

Why is using Glyphosate worth defending? Does it make food taste better, or grow larger, or become more nutruitious? If the only value is to increase the value of crops, by planting patent seeds, and then dousing the land in weed killer, perhaps people, regardless of the published scientific quality of their rationale, think that our food supply would be better off without it. Unless the suggestion that Glyphosate is…

This question has been answered several times on the thread already: because glyphosate is more benign, and relatively more inert, than other herbicides. The case for it is not complicated.

Re: Supreme Court to hear arguments in landmark Roundup weedkiller case

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If all of agriculture went fully organic tomorrow, no fertilizer, no fungicide, no insecitizide, no herbicide- billions would starve. Organic advocates who do not present viable alternatives are monsterous. We almost saw that played out in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_economic_crisis_(20... - and its a call for genocide on the economic less prosperous by economic means. It should be treated as that -…

? There are organic fertilizers, and natural methods of pest control.

Sure they cost more than modern chemicals. If you get sick from the modern chemicals, the costs incurred from treatment might be higher than the organic premium.

https://www.organicvalley.coop/blog/organic-farming-from-the...

https://www.arbico-organics.com/category/aphid-control-preve...

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