Its frankly shocking just how many people here aren't Christian (or don't understand love thy neighbor) and are on the evil spectrum of DnD, and bragging about it.
wrong thread?
If more than 50% press blue, everyone survives. Red pressers always survive
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Re: If more than 50% press blue, everyone survives. Red pressers always survive
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If they don't pick red Why wouldn't they?
Because most people have empathy and collective consciousness. Apart from ultra-capitalist individualists, most people choose trust and cooperations, because we're hard-wired for that and that's how species develop and thrive (see also, science).
Humans are conditionally cooperative
When we suspect some people are not cooperative then it gets reciprocated
Re: If more than 50% press blue, everyone survives. Red pressers always survive
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
But why would those pick blue? They have the same incentive to just pick red.
The end of the article mentions it. Some people are not purely rational decision makers, some people are altruists who know others are not purely rational, etc. By choosing red you will kill some people.
Or choosing blue allows them to feel self-righteous while not actually at any risk since this isn't real. Virtue signalling is the ethic of our day.
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#204You never press the button. Therefore, the game is never finished. Everyone goes on with their life as is.
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it worse? Wouldn't the red people end up with more like-minded red people?
I think most of the people who pick blue would be empathic, loving people that are just kind of bad at game theory. I don't think I want to live in a world in which they all died out.
Literally suicidal empathy. Although the numbers would change drastically if it was real, it's easy to virtue signal in hypotheticals.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
Red does have risk: you’d be left in a world without things produced by the blue pressers. I suspect that’s red's food, water and shelter. edit: specified who
If you think most farmers, construction workers, factory workers, and so on would press blue then you might want to actually get to know some of them and put them to this test. I don’t think many of them would willingly risk death on something so trivial as a button press. I’ve seen guys get rescued from falling off roofs but as written I don’t think many of the guys running to get their buddy out of his harness and…
Sure, I can ask around. It's a drought here, so we're looking for things to talk about.
It's not really about the numbers, though, is it? The red button future is now a mix of game theoreticians, Objectivists, and people who like the color red. The proportion of parasites is up.
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#207Is this repeated or one time? Can you force people on red or not? Seems difficult to guarantee you don't kill a bunch of kids each button press cycle... Many people aren't old and developed enough to reason it out yet... If this is repeated I'd certainly be on the team of trying to convince people to go blue... Otherwise the chance of someone randomly pressing red every time before they get to the age of 5 or whateve…
> Is this repeated or one time? I think it's meant to be one time. > Seems difficult to guarantee you don't kill a bunch of kids each button press cycle... Seems extremely easy to guarantee that I don't kill a bunch of kids, just press blue. It's only the red-pressers who might end up murdering kids. By pressing blue the only person I am putting at risk is myself.
If someone has parents and kids themselves should they convince them to press blue as well?
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder if red choosers really don’t understand that they are choosing to live in a world where half of all people, the more selfless half, are dead. It’s like living through a nuclear war except all of the nice people are gone, not just a random sample
Technically for red to win the number of dead people will be between 0% and 49.999% of the population. The entire reason to campaign for red is to reduce the dead percentage.
If your goal is to reduce the number of dead, is red really the one to campaign for?
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#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no dilemma, just a bad model. In this model, everyone press red and survive. Solved in 10 seconds. If you want a dilemma, it must be inside the model, for example: a 10% of the buttons are miss wired, and the system register the oposite color So if red wins, at least 10% die. If blue wins, everyone survives. Now you have a dilemma. Which button would you press? PS: If a country has 20 cities and one of them…
It is a dilemma because pressing blue or red reveals about your political orientations and your inner empathic responses (i'm assuming both are correlated). Not everyone is wired the same or agrees on politics. Though in a sense, i agree it's not really a dilemma because only sociopaths pick red in real life. See also intense and spontaneous cooperation in times of crisis (catastrophe, war, etc). See also research on…
Nah pretty much everyone picks red if it was a real scenario. It's also bizarre to call everyone picking red a sociopath because they don't want to gamble their life on some naive and idealistic view of humans.
Re: If more than 50% press blue, everyone survives. Red pressers always survive
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
But why would those pick blue? They have the same incentive to just pick red.
I wonder if red choosers really don’t understand that they are choosing to live in a world where half of all people, the more selfless half, are dead. It’s like living through a nuclear war except all of the nice people are gone, not just a random sample
I guess you base that surprising "half" on the transparent analogy with politics, and so you think real-world Democrats will press blue to assert their Democrattiness. This is probably true. However, since this is the internet, and being a Democrat is associated with being online and living in a city, there are probably more than 50% blue-pressers, as shown in the poll. Just like in the real world, you won't change that ratio whichever way you vote in the poll. If swaying opinion is within a voter's control, then your "choosing" is meaningful but the "half" becomes meaningless. If swaying opinion isn't within the voter's control, it's "choosing" that becomes meaningless, and the fate of the half is already sealed by cultural forces beyond our control.