Unfortunately no word on mainlining the external display support.
Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0
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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, it's not that hard if the hardware is high quality and of small number of known types. Windows and Linux is judged by whether it works on any hardware, including the so-cheap-it-should-not-have-been-produced-ever machines, that will obviously just plain suck. No amount of software can save shitty hardware.
I feel like Linux proselytizers are always talking about how Linux will revive or improve low-powered hardware, and that’s one of the reasons it’s so great. Then when it’s still a poor experience, the same Linux users say things like this, that no software can save bad hardware. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Also, Linux expressly aims to run on a wide array of hardware, and macOS doesn’t. So Linux should b…
But then what is left to compare the two?
A supersonic airplane is not better than a bicycle, nor the reverse is true. They are just.. different and only marginally related.
Also, "revive" a device is more of a niche thing. What's more generally in line with linux's philosophy is it scaling down to embedded-like hardware, but also scaling up to supercomputers. Neither end is "a bad experience", and none of the other mainstream desktop OSs can even hold a candle next to it.
Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
Being harassed by neckbeards would drive anyone insane
No it actually wouldn't. As in 15+ years of Hacker News I have not seen the same so clearly it can be so horrible that it regularly leads to such strong reaction, suggesting that for most people this isn't nearly so impactful. And very few things described could actually be called harassment, mostly it was light criticism or maybe a bit trolling.
The guy appears to have a fragile ego. Any criticism and he goes nuclear, as if he was never told "no" as a child. Sure you can have opinions about the best way to moderate comments, but I can't imagine thinking I was special enough to publicly demand how Hacker News should be run. I've worked with people like this, not fun!
Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The belief that this will happen is also a malicious fairy tale to tell to people. Cultural change is possible. It is not something that will happen, no. But it is something that can happen, if enough people choose to make it happen. Making it happen starts by pointing this out and not blaming the people on the wrong end of this behaviour. This kind of thinking reminds me of my truly most loathed thought-terminatin…
You are derailing this discussion by keep moving it to: "This is what the world should be like", and no one is disagreeing with that here. This is not what anything I said is about.
> and no is disagreeing with that here. no one.
The very first comment I replied to was insulting the victim's social skills and mental stability. This is the exact opposite of what is needed to reach "what the world should be like". Positive progress is not inevitable. It does not happen by some fate of the universe, where if we just wait things will naturally improve and life will get better. When positive progress does happen, it happens by humans consciously choosing to act in ways that make the world a better place rather than in ways that do not.
Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
> you have the stupid situation Linux used to have where only one app could play audio at a time When was that? I think my first Linux distribution was Ubuntu 8.04 and fairly sure it shipped with PulseAudio which in mind always been able to play audio from multiple sources at the same time, maybe I misremember?
Pure ALSA would behave like that because the currently playing process would take exclusive control of the hardware. Upsite: Highest quality playback. Downside: Only one process could play audio at a time.
Most distributions shipped ALSA preconfigured with dmix, which means multiple applications could play sound at the same time just fine.
Which is why the whole "we must use pulseaudio even if it's terrible and has awful standards that blast volume or multiple streams won't work!" was so weird… everybody who tried knew that just removing pulseaudio the multiple streams kept working :)
So only those who never applied the scientific method kept insisting that without PA it was not possible to do that.
Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0
#206I really hope this project continues to gain momentum. Apple Hardware + Linux is the least fscked OS running on the best hardware. MacOS continues to be a tire fire with endless bugs and churn between versions.
Having used a macbook air for work just recently… not the best hardware at all. I think I can spend 5€ and get a better keyboard.
Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like Linux proselytizers are always talking about how Linux will revive or improve low-powered hardware, and that’s one of the reasons it’s so great. Then when it’s still a poor experience, the same Linux users say things like this, that no software can save bad hardware. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Also, Linux expressly aims to run on a wide array of hardware, and macOS doesn’t. So Linux should b…
But then what is left to compare the two? A supersonic airplane is not better than a bicycle, nor the reverse is true. They are just.. different and only marginally related. Also, "revive" a device is more of a niche thing. What's more generally in line with linux's philosophy is it scaling down to embedded-like hardware, but also scaling up to supercomputers. Neither end is "a bad experience", and none of the other…
> But then what is left to compare the two?
Countless other things about the way they work and how they handle what you want to do with them? We're not comparing radically different things, I was intentional about my comparison of Jeep vs Civic: they're the same basic tool, with different applications and contexts where they shine. This isn't an airplane and a bicycle.
Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
> you have the stupid situation Linux used to have where only one app could play audio at a time When was that? I think my first Linux distribution was Ubuntu 8.04 and fairly sure it shipped with PulseAudio which in mind always been able to play audio from multiple sources at the same time, maybe I misremember?
Pure ALSA would behave like that because the currently playing process would take exclusive control of the hardware. Upsite: Highest quality playback. Downside: Only one process could play audio at a time.
ALSA had dmix for some time already, but the default configuration of your distro may not have enabled it.
Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are derailing this discussion by keep moving it to: "This is what the world should be like", and no one is disagreeing with that here. This is not what anything I said is about.
> and no is disagreeing with that here. no one. The very first comment I replied to was insulting the victim's social skills and mental stability. This is the exact opposite of what is needed to reach "what the world should be like". Positive progress is not inevitable. It does not happen by some fate of the universe, where if we just wait things will naturally improve and life will get better. When positive progress…
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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0
#210While I absolutely love the technical write-up from the Asahi team, and being absolutely impressed by their accomplishment, to the risk of being an overly negative contrarian, I remain a bit skeptical. I'm concerned that after all these years, it's still a separate project and not an effort sustained directly within the kernel mainline and mainstream distributions like Ubuntu, Debian or Fedora. These kinds of reverse…
Why would any group want to take on a project which could be instantly killed by an external for profit entity? For now Asahi is left alone by Apple but that could change in a single day and the entire project is dead. It doesn’t seem like a productive way to direct the limited energy that distribution foundations have on hand.
Except there's no legal basis Apple could use to "instantly kill" the project.