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Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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800 euros for 8 GB and 512 SSD powered laptop in 2026 is robbery, regardless how it gets packaged. And if I want to go with 256 SSD, which is a ridiculous SSD size also in 2026, my Thinkpad had it back in 2014, it is still 700 euros. As for the Apple distortion field regarding its high quality, unfortunately many people do tend to discover why paying, even extra on top of those 800 euros, for Apple Care matters.

> 800 euros for 8 GB and 512 SSD For me it’s not about the numbers It’s 800€ for a laptop that’s not total junk. I could probably get the same 8 or 16 and 512 numbers in cheaper laptops, but they would be [what I would consider] sad annoying plastic junk.

It is all about the numbers, don't judge a book for the cover.

800 euros plus Apple Care, for 8 GB, 512 SSD, a phone SOC and Tahoe bugs, no thanks.

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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This is why I’ve never understood the demand for a touchscreen on a laptop. All of my non-Mac laptops have touchscreens, and I basically never use the touch feature except by accident (e.g. a kid pointing and asking a question and causing some code to highlight).

For me it's vision and physical ergonomics. The GUI and mouse did great things for computing, but were never strictly safe from an ergonomic standpoint, and I see a lot of people walking around with carpal tunnel braces. Especially CAD operators and computer programmers. After trying it out roughly every year, Ubuntu finally seems to have fairly transparent touch screen support, and I've given up on Windows. At a com…

For actually on the map, I find the trackpoint unbeatable. Much better than either touchpad or touchscreen.

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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The truth is that the moment Apple offers a touch screen on macOS, the Mac cult faithful will hail the day as a breakthrough in innovation. I suggest that you watch people in cafes, offices, and libraries (especially young people) use Windows-based touchscreen-equipped laptops. There's nothing that "sucks" or is "useless" about having the additional option of a touch interface on a laptop. You don't even have to use…

> The truth is that the moment Apple offers a touch screen on macOS, the Mac cult faithful will hail the day as a breakthrough in innovation. Did they do it when Apple offered the touch bar? Or did annoying nerds complain so much that Apple finally removed this pretty cool feature? Anybody who thinks about it for a few minutes will realize that any touch interface on a laptop has to be on the bottom part and not on t…

2-in-1 laptops represent 1/3 of the entire laptop market and represent almost double the revenue of all Macs sold worldwide.

I think it is quite clear that touchscreen laptops are a desired product. Apple would just rather you buy both an iPad and a Mac as separate devices so they can double-dip.

If this style of touchscreen is bad as you say you have to explain why Apple sells keyboards that turn the iPad into a laptop with a touch screen: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/mwr53ll/a/magic-keyboard-...

2-in-1 revenue, 2024: USD 58.2 billion

Apple Mac segment revenue: USD 29.4 billion

[PDF] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/fy2024-q4/FY24_Q4_Consol...

https://www.news.market.us/laptop-statistics/

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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My dream is having an “app” on ipadOS that switches out userland from ipadOS to macOS when launched. Let them be two silos, containers, VMs, whatever. Only allow “Mac mode” if you have a keyboard and monitor attached. Hell, automatically “sleep” it if you undock. Make it unapologetically keyboard-and-mouse first. One UI for keyboard/mouse. A second UI for touch. One device that can do it all. That’s the dream. I feel…

I want the same mode, but on iOS! Imagine carrying nothing but the phone in your pocket, sitting down at your desk, plugging your phone into the monitor, which has your keyboard and mouse docked, and you have a full development environment.

You can sort of do that but you’re VNCing into a remote device.

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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>>I doubt workers stealing data (which is more frequent than you might think) will just openly post about it. Can you explain what mechanism is there for Microsoft workers to steal data off my Windows PC that doesn't upload anything to OneDrive? Like I'm genuienly curious - how do they do it?

It depends what you consider data, to me for example, all the devices I use in my home, who comes in my home and such are considered private (as it should, but we might disagree on this) , but realize that the moment someone steps-in your home, then the typical correlation of SSIDs, BT devices (to simplify it) is sent as telemtry to MS servers (this is official, I'm not just speculating). And about pure "data" as in…

Right, so there is no way for Microsoft employees to actually steal any data on my PC unless something gets flagged by Microsoft defender and sent to MS for analysis and even then it's not actual full content of the file[0]. Thanks for confirming.

[0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/defender-endpoint/cloud-pr...

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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It depends what you consider data, to me for example, all the devices I use in my home, who comes in my home and such are considered private (as it should, but we might disagree on this) , but realize that the moment someone steps-in your home, then the typical correlation of SSIDs, BT devices (to simplify it) is sent as telemtry to MS servers (this is official, I'm not just speculating). And about pure "data" as in…

Right, so there is no way for Microsoft employees to actually steal any data on my PC unless something gets flagged by Microsoft defender and sent to MS for analysis and even then it's not actual full content of the file[0]. Thanks for confirming. [0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/defender-endpoint/cloud-pr...

Why do you say no way when I just literally pointed you out that they do get data and store them (we don't know the modalities, it's obscure). You took a big shortcut here, you don't consider all your life patterns being data? When your mom visit you at home and MS is aware via your own computer, for you this isn't data? Literally all devices AROUND you are sent and those are directly correlated with real-life identities.

Also, I said "and such" because MS have many mechanisms, for example, they are directly aware of what you download because of SmartScreen, this is data, isn't it?

One more thing, when you type something to search in the Start menu, this is also sent to Microsoft, so for example if you have the habit of searching `XXXFilename`, then this Filename is stored on their servers, this is data. You can disable that by registry sure, but let's be real, users don't disable it.

But keep in mind here we are talking about what's referenced in documentation, while there is so many things that are obscure about it.

You might want to read this article (even tho it's basic): https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/08/windows-10-microsoft-b...

Windows 10 collects unprecedented data, including:

    Location data
    Text, voice, and touch input
    Web pages visited
    App usage (which programs, how long) (beware of CLI flags, they are leaked to MS:))
    Unique device IDs *(that can't be changed, which mean when you go to your friend, plug YOUR mouse to his Windows computer, then MS knows you 2 are besties)*
Also, VSCode by default give away all filepaths you open and more (you can check that yourself), which gives direct data about all projects you work on.

Another example, when you dev, you know that you might have a tendency to install tools, or even install your own output binaries right (let say you build an Electron app), then MS is aware of this, all programs installed are sent, this is data. So, does the MS employees filtering those data can see if you are actively using a Monero wallet? Yes they can. Are you a Tor user? They know immediately (regardless of VPN usage) and so on. This is real data.

Most people enable much more features from MS which then gives away so much more data, the list I gave is only if you disable most of it.

And lastly, about Visual Studio particularly: What's Collected:

- Extension list Every extension you have installed

- Project types What kind of projects you create (web, mobile, desktop, etc.)

- Feature usage Which VS features you use and how often

- Build data Build times, success/failure rates, errors

- Debugger usage Breakpoints hit, debug sessions, time spent debugging

- Search queries What you search for in VS (help, docs, IntelliSense)

- Crash/hang data When VS freezes or crashes, what you were doing

- Performance data Memory usage, responsiveness, load times

- Environment info OS version, hardware specs, screen resolution

- File paths Project folder paths (not file contents)

- Session duration How long you use VS

- Click/interaction events Which menus, buttons, toolbars you interact with

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Then obviously there is MS Edge but that's a whole beast on its own with next level telemetry (whole history, including admin panels you connect to).

=== What's the definition of data?

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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post #201

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> 800 euros for 8 GB and 512 SSD For me it’s not about the numbers It’s 800€ for a laptop that’s not total junk. I could probably get the same 8 or 16 and 512 numbers in cheaper laptops, but they would be [what I would consider] sad annoying plastic junk.

It is all about the numbers, don't judge a book for the cover. 800 euros plus Apple Care, for 8 GB, 512 SSD, a phone SOC and Tahoe bugs, no thanks.

What I see is 800 EUR for a sturdy body, a solid screen, a solid keyboard and good battery life. That's the baseline for what I want in a laptop. Only after these boxes have been checked, we can start talking numbers. And you know what, even 8 and 256 is still perfectly usable for me. Two years ago I was still using a MacBook Air with 256 GB SSD, happily. Now my wife is using it, happily.

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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Right, so there is no way for Microsoft employees to actually steal any data on my PC unless something gets flagged by Microsoft defender and sent to MS for analysis and even then it's not actual full content of the file[0]. Thanks for confirming. [0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/defender-endpoint/cloud-pr...

Why do you say no way when I just literally pointed you out that they do get data and store them (we don't know the modalities, it's obscure) . You took a big shortcut here, you don't consider all your life patterns being data? When your mom visit you at home and MS is aware via your own computer, for you this isn't data? Literally all devices AROUND you are sent and those are directly correlated with real-life ident…

So like I said earlier, thank you for confirming that MS employees have no way of stealing data off my computer outside of information sent either as part of diagnostic info or hashed samples sent to anti virus services. There is no one at Microsoft who can just say "copy gambiting's entire documents folder and send it to us" (afaik). So no, MS employees can't just steal the data off my computer. If you want to be technically anal about this yes, what I type into my start menu is "data" too, sure, you are 100% correct. I don't consider that to be Microsoft employees stealing data off my PC. And that's not even me trying to excuse it - I'm just saying it's not what you initially presented it as.

Going back to your original comment about not using Windows for "serious" work - none of the above stands in the way of serious work, especially given that every above behaviour is disabled by enterprise policy. I will agree with you that personal installations are different, but then we need to agree on the definition of serious work again.

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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post #201

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It is all about the numbers, don't judge a book for the cover. 800 euros plus Apple Care, for 8 GB, 512 SSD, a phone SOC and Tahoe bugs, no thanks.

What I see is 800 EUR for a sturdy body, a solid screen, a solid keyboard and good battery life. That's the baseline for what I want in a laptop. Only after these boxes have been checked, we can start talking numbers. And you know what, even 8 and 256 is still perfectly usable for me. Two years ago I was still using a MacBook Air with 256 GB SSD, happily. Now my wife is using it, happily.

What I see is a phone motherboard packaged inside an expensive keyboard and screen, with Apple glitter.

Re: MacBook Neo and how the iPad should be

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Why do you say no way when I just literally pointed you out that they do get data and store them (we don't know the modalities, it's obscure) . You took a big shortcut here, you don't consider all your life patterns being data? When your mom visit you at home and MS is aware via your own computer, for you this isn't data? Literally all devices AROUND you are sent and those are directly correlated with real-life ident…

So like I said earlier, thank you for confirming that MS employees have no way of stealing data off my computer outside of information sent either as part of diagnostic info or hashed samples sent to anti virus services. There is no one at Microsoft who can just say "copy gambiting's entire documents folder and send it to us" (afaik). So no, MS employees can't just steal the data off my computer. If you want to be te…

Thanks for debating in good faith, I give you that sure, file content might not be by default (except in multiple scenarios) sent to MS.

For serious work, my philosophy is really regarding the attack surface, I'm mostly working in cybersec/privacy for the last decade and any data that leaves the machine is always a concern, a theoretical one and a practical one, especially if it's obfuscated. Anything that requires human trust to me is a concern (see for example lately the vulnerabilities steaming from npm dependencies, all about human). Privacy is important to me, I don't want anyone to know what I do with my devices (that includes my phones, which has no SIM inside to reduce correlation factor), this is by principle. I have 2 "realms" of work, one where I do accept (example with prompts to commercial LLM providers such as OpenAI...) that privacy and security is compromised, and the other realm where it's non-negotiable.

But I get your point and without being too extreme about it, I can agree that some of my takes are far fetch although they are valid, can I ask why you actually prefer to develop on Windows vs Linux (or MacOS), is it because of habits?

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