stop calling it "age verification" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa3-TkHBh90
Brussels launched an age checking app. Hackers took 2 minutes to break it
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Re: Brussels launched an age checking app. Hackers took 2 minutes to break it
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Why do I need to prove my age again? Right because a child might get online with a phone or computer and see something bad. I think you should take your own advice: >Stop with the scaremongering.
Few pretty good reasons. First, yes, it has been proven that there are things online children accessing is damaging to their development. From social media to porn. Second, and much more important to me, proof that you are actually a human from an approved location. Bots and spam are a problem in general, but specifically foreign meddling in critical moments like elections and referenda is extremely dangerous for dem…
> proof that you are actually a human from an approved location
> Being able to gatekeep participation in public forums
And now it becomes clear that what you want is non-anonymity, rather than age.
You should have to prove who you are when voting. Not when participating on the Internet.
(Social media that optimizes for "engagement" (e.g. outrage) needs to die, but that's orthogonal.)
Re: Brussels launched an age checking app. Hackers took 2 minutes to break it
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
Few pretty good reasons. First, yes, it has been proven that there are things online children accessing is damaging to their development. From social media to porn. Second, and much more important to me, proof that you are actually a human from an approved location. Bots and spam are a problem in general, but specifically foreign meddling in critical moments like elections and referenda is extremely dangerous for dem…
> proof that you are actually a human from an approved location > Being able to gatekeep participation in public forums And now it becomes clear that what you want is non-anonymity, rather than age. You should have to prove who you are when voting. Not when participating on the Internet. (Social media that optimizes for "engagement" (e.g. outrage) needs to die, but that's orthogonal.)
> And now it becomes clear that what you want is non-anonymity, rather than age.
No. Proving your age anonymously is more than enough to prove you're a human and that is all that is needed.
Re: Brussels launched an age checking app. Hackers took 2 minutes to break it
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
> proof that you are actually a human from an approved location > Being able to gatekeep participation in public forums And now it becomes clear that what you want is non-anonymity, rather than age. You should have to prove who you are when voting. Not when participating on the Internet. (Social media that optimizes for "engagement" (e.g. outrage) needs to die, but that's orthogonal.)
> And now it becomes clear that what you want is non-anonymity, rather than age. No. Proving your age anonymously is more than enough to prove you're a human and that is all that is needed.
Apparently you want "approved location", too.
Precise age and general location is already sometimes enough to completely identify a person. That alone would make it far easier to, for instance, track people down based on their social media posts.
Forced proof of identity is damage, and the Internet should route around it. Every last bit of this should be destroyed, along with the political careers of anyone who supports it.
Re: Brussels launched an age checking app. Hackers took 2 minutes to break it
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>Discord lost thousands of them, despite promising to delete them after age verification occurred (and then not doing so) This is misleading, yet everyone seems to repeat it. Discord's implementation of ID verification did not retain IDs. Reporting on this was so poor, but what appears to have happened was that people that failed age estimation / ID checks had to raise a support ticket and get manually reviewed. That…
This is a distinction without a difference. Users were assured their selfies would not be retained and they were. Discord then proceeded to lose those selfies to bad actors, after promising not to retain them. The incident has caused enormous distrust of all age verification systems, which were already starting in the mind of the community from a base level of skepticism. It's already highly invasive to take a photo…
I disagree! There very much is a distinction and every age verification process will have the same failure mode. If there is something wrong with your account or ID, the user will have to go via the manual support proccess, which necessitates sharing particulars with falliable humans and the fragile support process. The alternative is to offer no support and prevent them from using the service... which is by far the worst outcome.
Re: Brussels launched an age checking app. Hackers took 2 minutes to break it
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Re: Brussels launched an age checking app. Hackers took 2 minutes to break it
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> The point of this is that you can use the credentials on your phone to prove that you are an adult to a website using zero-knowledge proofs to avoid disclosing your identity to anybody. That's the theory. How is it in practice? In my opinion, it just means there is a single government database to hack to get copies of all IDs... By the way have the "security experts" checking this app evaluated that part? Or they'r…
Do you care about it when running a smartphone full of NSA backdoors, CIA backdoors, Google backdoors, Apple backdoors, Baidu backdoors, Chrome backdoors and official reCAPTCHA backdoors and google analytics backdoors?
Whataboutism is a rather poor excuse. "Do you care about if there is cyanide in this soup when it also has high cholesterol and sodium?" Yes I do.
Re: Brussels launched an age checking app. Hackers took 2 minutes to break it
#208Why does this app even exist? Why is everyone in this thread so okay with more surveillance? It’s ironic that people are arguing over technicalities instead of tackling the moral and societal impact of age verification.
Because they are hysterical morons who had their brains scooped out when they watched propaganda about social media being bad for children.
Re: Brussels launched an age checking app. Hackers took 2 minutes to break it
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It’s very common throughout English. The Russian government is refered to as Moscow, US as Washington. It’s the same and doesn’t refer to residents. It’s known as synecdoche. In other words, sorry but it’s here to stay.
The problem here, and the source of OOPs annoyance I think, is that the governments of the constituting member states have the habit to present unpopular regulations as 'from Brussels' while taking credit for the popular things as from 'Den Haag','Berlin' or 'Paris' or whatever the local capital is. This habit is the main driver of anti-EU sentiments across the whole of europe. Which is a pity, mainly because it take…
I think it’s actually incredibly similar to Washington’s situation, since DC residents have pretty much nothing to do with the federal government residing there, just like the Bruxellois in Brussels
Re: Brussels launched an age checking app. Hackers took 2 minutes to break it
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The technical specifications published online foresee publication of the app also on alternative android stores, but Linux phone users are missing out. Though I guess things could always be extended...
Their security model requires remote attestation. So, open, user-controlled platforms cannot be used. Of course some other future locked-down linux-based OS might be usable.
Remote attestation in theory includes all aosp-compliant attestation implementations (in practice that's GrapheneOS already), but the current project plans and implementation openly reject it.