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Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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If you think different sets of hormones do not condition tons of behaviours you are deluded, buddy. It affects me as a man, too, be highly educated or not. As I said, one of my favourite recreational Math authors (like Conway or Gardner) it's a woman, and her favourite Math branch it's discrete Math. Now, please, understand that she was pefectly able to understand the rest, as Mathematician men are able to the same w…

YOU are delusional, amigo. I literally give you a link that points out that what you're basing your beliefs on, is from some motivational speaker, pop-science, borderline con-artist author. And you reply with... more anecdotes. Do you not see the irony? Are you incapable of reflecting on this? There are of course some statistical biological (hormonal, physiological, whatever) differences between women and men. But th…

>No hay más ciego...

Le dijo la sarten al cazo.

Yes, there are differences, and this is not pseudoscience. Nor hints about castes about races.

https://www.uoc.edu/en/news/2023/286-gender-differences-in-v...

>why should we do this for women?

Should we ban men from poetry/arts too? That would be dumb. In my case, Discrete Math and combinatorics where hell compared to other Math branches. Yet I could approach them from overlapping subjects. Women do the same, they applied different strategies and then they bound them together. This requieres effort for both genders? OFC, but that's the 'winning' strategy; the most different skills you gather, the better.

Men prefer measure and rotate and women use nodes and graphs? How about using both by definning a lattice and placing easy nodes as helping points making orientation a breeze for both genders?

Also, if you negate any difference, how come men and women tend to lose different brain sections upon dementia/Alzheimer?

Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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Whatever scant liquids these males happen to squeeze out is insufficient for feeding, and is a risk to the infant.

It's literally been documented that it works. No need to be transphobic.

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Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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YOU are delusional, amigo. I literally give you a link that points out that what you're basing your beliefs on, is from some motivational speaker, pop-science, borderline con-artist author. And you reply with... more anecdotes. Do you not see the irony? Are you incapable of reflecting on this? There are of course some statistical biological (hormonal, physiological, whatever) differences between women and men. But th…

>No hay más ciego... Le dijo la sarten al cazo. Yes, there are differences, and this is not pseudoscience. Nor hints about castes about races. https://www.uoc.edu/en/news/2023/286-gender-differences-in-v... >why should we do this for women? Should we ban men from poetry/arts too? That would be dumb. In my case, Discrete Math and combinatorics where hell compared to other Math branches. Yet I could approach them from…

> Should we ban men from poetry/arts too? That would be dumb.

Exactly, so please stop with the "women are better at [whatever task you don't want to deal with]" stereotypes. It's all pseudoscience, trying to find some "natural" or biological basis for oppressing people, just like racism.

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>No hay más ciego... Le dijo la sarten al cazo. Yes, there are differences, and this is not pseudoscience. Nor hints about castes about races. https://www.uoc.edu/en/news/2023/286-gender-differences-in-v... >why should we do this for women? Should we ban men from poetry/arts too? That would be dumb. In my case, Discrete Math and combinatorics where hell compared to other Math branches. Yet I could approach them from…

> Should we ban men from poetry/arts too? That would be dumb. Exactly, so please stop with the "women are better at [whatever task you don't want to deal with]" stereotypes. It's all pseudoscience, trying to find some "natural" or biological basis for oppressing people, just like racism.

No, is not pseudoscience, it's called 'hormones'. Your discourse it's a bit antropocentric. We aren't special for the Physics in the universe, nor we have free will. Again, I don't care about either left or right wing beliefs.

Hormones' influence it's pretty real.

In order to avoid oppresions, we have the law systems, thank you.

Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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> Should we ban men from poetry/arts too? That would be dumb. Exactly, so please stop with the "women are better at [whatever task you don't want to deal with]" stereotypes. It's all pseudoscience, trying to find some "natural" or biological basis for oppressing people, just like racism.

No, is not pseudoscience, it's called 'hormones'. Your discourse it's a bit antropocentric. We aren't special for the Physics in the universe, nor we have free will. Again, I don't care about either left or right wing beliefs. Hormones' influence it's pretty real. In order to avoid oppresions, we have the law systems, thank you.

It's not enough!

Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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Structure

Moms provide structure in "stereotypical" families. Not dads. Moms force bed time, vegetables, homework, cleaning the room. But also not to infants.

Ok, moms provide structure. Not sure why you need to highlight that. Important thing is that kids receive structure early in their lives.

Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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So, what is "objective" fun. (Vs enjoying your subjective experience). Having kids is not "objectively fun" even though its "subjectively fun" because "my brain convinced me I'm having fun?" Pull at that thread and you'll land on the central mistake I made with my prior beliefs, and also a ton of things like, you know, stoic philosophy, cognitive behavioral therapy, and mindfulness. etc etc. The subjective is all you…

Return to baseline happiness with some temporary dips does not match "you're not having fun stop believing you are". The "temporary dip" is the entire time you have the children, let's say 20 years or so, and it's a pretty serious drop, not just a small blip. I'm not telling anyone to stop believing, it's just nature's way of making sure that we keep procreating and at the same time a very interesting phenomenon to o…

Oh a 20 year dip is new to me.

Here's a few cherry picked studies[1] there's a _bump_ in happiness that regresses to pre-kiddo levels permanently.

[2] Happy people with money have more kids, and people who have kids after 30 and with non-poverty wages are happier.

1. https://www.demogr.mpg.de/papers/working/wp-2012-013.pdf

2. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5505668/

3. bonus: A heavily biased study showing overall increases https://ifstudies.org/blog/life-with-kids-is-better-analyzin...

There's a decent book on the baseline phenomenon called Happiness Hypothesis: Largely speaking you'll return to baseline levels of subjective wellbeing, but recall that fufillment is not subjective wellbeing.

Of course if you read The Atlantic (the same magazine that tells you to throw your kids art away and never get married, they'll say the opposite [4]

4. https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2021/11/does-havi...

You wont be convinced. That's ok. I think we'll just disagree here. But, if you let these articles direct your life, or if I were to let them direct mine, we'd be fools.

This whole thread is honestly hilarious. "No sir, you are not happy, you are not fufilled, here is the data, sir"

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Speak for yourself, it seems like you’re really invested in something biological being “at fault” for something. You’re thread sitting which is never a good look, but worse still when you are spouting some kind of personal philosophy held up as science.

Is not personal philosphy but actual science. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/403855473_Sex_diffe... Now keep your Humanities away from actual facts, please. BTW, my favourite pop-science Mathematician it's a woman and the subject she loves most it's DIscrete Math, something directly related to my beloved computers too. She has no issues with the rest of branches but as I said the one she feels more conforta…

>my favourite pop-science Mathematician it's a woman

Said entirely with love, this is a worse look, a cliche even. https://www.quora.com/What-s-wrong-with-saying-some-of-my-be...

Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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post #197

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Is not personal philosphy but actual science. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/403855473_Sex_diffe... Now keep your Humanities away from actual facts, please. BTW, my favourite pop-science Mathematician it's a woman and the subject she loves most it's DIscrete Math, something directly related to my beloved computers too. She has no issues with the rest of branches but as I said the one she feels more conforta…

>my favourite pop-science Mathematician it's a woman Said entirely with love, this is a worse look, a cliche even. https://www.quora.com/What-s-wrong-with-saying-some-of-my-be...

That says more about your prejudice than my supposed one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara_Grima

Said this, most Mathematicians -no matter women or men- owe a lot to Gardner and Conway.

Non recreational math from Clara:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scutoid

Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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Yepp, that blog link you posted, from whoever this Jorge Laborda may be, is just 3 paragraphs recapping snippets from that book, it's right in the first line: "Why Men Don't Listen & Women Can't Read Maps", by Allan Pease. Since you like to appeal the authority of Some Dude, let me give it to you straight from the "About the Author" section from goodreads.com[1] of your sources. Are you ready? > Allan Pease is an Aus…

If you think different sets of hormones do not condition tons of behaviours you are deluded, buddy. It affects me as a man, too, be highly educated or not. As I said, one of my favourite recreational Math authors (like Conway or Gardner) it's a woman, and her favourite Math branch it's discrete Math. Now, please, understand that she was pefectly able to understand the rest, as Mathematician men are able to the same w…

You can't talk about nature, as that contradicts "The Message"
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