What happens if I order an upper from send cut send? does a human look at it and say oh no. or does a computer?
The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing
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#202I don't know the details but it is a very good idea to restrict people's access to guns.
Guns, fireworks, explosives, sulfuric acid, all sorts of bio-hazards, ... every civilized country restricts peoples' access to these things. It is a no brainier, but Americans obsessively wrap it in ideology.
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#203Personally, I see this as an assault on 3d printing more than any real attempt to regulate guns. I own several 3d printers. If I wanted to make something resembling a firearm I'd go to home depot WAY before I bothered 3d printing parts. You basically just need a metal tube, and well... a pipe from home depot does that much better than trying to 3d print something much less reliable. So given we don't do this regulati…
Hmm, assuming it's part of somebody's bigger plans with an ulterior motive... The requirement to pass everything through a government watchdog module could be leveraged into DRM/copyright/patent overreach.
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#204> The primary goal is clear and simple: to require 3D printer manufacturers to use a state-certified algorithm that checks digital design files for firearm components and blocks print jobs that would produce prohibited parts. "state-certified algorithm" has a really nice tyrannic ring to it. I am sure once this has passed the rich people can finally sleep at night knowing they are safe from roving gangs of armed Mang…
Straight out of 1984.
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You basically just need a metal tube, and well... a pipe from home depot does that much better than trying to 3d print something much less reliable. Why would you buy a pipe at Home Depot? A gun barrel is not a firearm, and is not required to be registered or serialized. You can drive to Arizona or Nevada and buy an actual barrel, with rifling, manufactured to meet well-known specifications, without showing an ID.…
The device the parent is describing has a long history, and they're known as 'zip guns'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improvised_firearm
From Carlito's Way:
> Out come the zip guns. Homemade gun. You pull the hook back, catch that bullet square, ping. Hit you in the head, man, you got serious problems.
Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing
#206Easy way to explain the absurdity of the idea is to picture how could a law be made restricting 2D printers from printing schematics of guns.
How the printer could detect it, where the censoring circuit or program would live, how effective it would be and what it means long-term.
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
But you need something better than a 3D printer for bullets. So if bullet sales are regulated, there is no need to regulate 3D printing.
Making bullets is trivial. It's black powder, a case of metal (brass, aluminum, etc), and some molten lead. This doesn't even address the constitutional right. You can't ban the printing press and claim it doesn't affect the freedom of speech.
How about blasting caps? Those are integrated into modern brass cartridges, and I think making them that way would require more precision than you'd be able to achieve with simple hand tools and an anvil.
19th century revolvers tended to require separate blasting caps, but you still had to buy them even if you could make the bullets.
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
Didn’t Luigi Mangione 3D print his gun? There’s definitely an appeal for criminals
As far as I've been able to find, that's basically the only documented case of a criminal use of a 3d printed gun. His also malfunctioned every shot during the crime. Legislators point towards the rise of "ghost guns" in crimes, but then you dig into that and they include every criminal who files off the serial number on a stolen gun in the stats, which is by far the more common circumstance along with being much eas…
mangione didnt understand the requirements for suppressor on semi-auto pistol.
there was no nelson device, he would have been better off with an empty soda bottle.
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#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because those aren't as trendy right now. This is similar to banning nunchucks and throwing stars in the 80's (yes, that was a thing).
> was a thing Still a thing in Australia.
I never understood banning nunchucks. They kind of ban themselves.
If you've ever been a kid copying TMNT Michelangelo with home made nunchucks you've almost certainly smacked yourself in the face.
Y'know what's martially better than two sticks with a string between them? A single big stick.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really think all of this is the result of Mangione. Regulating 3D printers has been talked about for years with no action. Then a year after the CEO of a large well known company is killed with a 3D printed gun the states are suddenly pushing highly invasive 3D printing laws. It's no coincidence NY was the first to push for such a law, the state where said CEO was killed.
No, this is Everytown USA model legislation. They wrote it, and are lobbying for it. https://everytownsupportfund.org/press/new-everytown-report-...
Yes, third paragraph: "The shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson ..." who was killed by Mangione with a 3D printed gun. Did you forget who the killer was?