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Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?

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Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?

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post #62

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I had same exact experience with macOS and iCloud. macOS by default enables offloading Documents to cloud, transparently. Problem is if you try to get those files back to store them offline, it gets very tricky very quickly with ambiguous verbiage and lengthy process that you never actually know status of. I ended up losing some files as a result, which came as a total shock to me. I was already in the process of mov…

This is very annoying, but there’s a right click and force keep downloaded that reflags the folder and all items within it.

The point is it didn't work, my files were never getting downloaded in full, the process was stuck with pie chart icon stuck. Debugging this is not easy.

Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?

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post #62

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I had same exact experience with macOS and iCloud. macOS by default enables offloading Documents to cloud, transparently. Problem is if you try to get those files back to store them offline, it gets very tricky very quickly with ambiguous verbiage and lengthy process that you never actually know status of. I ended up losing some files as a result, which came as a total shock to me. I was already in the process of mov…

The vagueness is by design, it’s another dark pattern. “Delete all photos from icloud? [are we gonna delete the ones that we only keep compressed versions on your phone? Iono ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, you wanna find out? Yea, didn’t think so...]”

Yup exactly!

Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?

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Not just storage expense. Recently I work extensively for a very large financial institute. They provide me with Windows terminal to work on the project. I initially expected to myself to work on a very institutional security constrained environment. Instead, the workspace keep popping up with annoying msn Ads inadvertently, out of any context. The default browser, Edge, was default to msn, which is full of more dist…

I liked Win10, once you use ShutUp10 it was a solid OS minus a few annoyances.

But Win11 is horrendous. Watching the right click menu dynamocally and slowly populate with "open with" options is jaring.

Now add two right click menus is wild.

Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?

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Microsoft used to have an app called Office Lens. It helped color correct and keystone adjust documents scanned with a phone camera. They pushed an update that gutted the app and said this app has been replaced by OneDrive. After installing OneDrive and dodging multiple dark pattern storage upsells, I discovered the OneDrive app doesn’t have any of the document scanning tools. I’m sure someone got a bonus for increas…

It doesn’t? I use the OneDrive app for scanning documents all the time. + button then “Capture”

Oh, I have to use their app to take the pic. I can’t use my existing photos anymore.

Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?

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post #203

Not just storage expense. Recently I work extensively for a very large financial institute. They provide me with Windows terminal to work on the project. I initially expected to myself to work on a very institutional security constrained environment. Instead, the workspace keep popping up with annoying msn Ads inadvertently, out of any context. The default browser, Edge, was default to msn, which is full of more dist…

I liked Win10, once you use ShutUp10 it was a solid OS minus a few annoyances. But Win11 is horrendous. Watching the right click menu dynamocally and slowly populate with "open with" options is jaring. Now add two right click menus is wild.

My choice was win10privacy, pretty quick and brutal, gutting and disabling most intrusive things.

Now I'm moving to Linux (once I finally found one that supports nvidia and mux really well).

Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?

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When you use your highly restricted/infosec encrusted enterprise Windows laptop and still see the Xbox App, you know Microsoft have lost all respect for their customers. Consumer laptops are just a pure sales distribution channel on top of an OS that can now barely handle spying on you, selling you things AND actually doing the thing you bought it for. The most eye-opening moment when you switch to Linux is that it takes as fast as you typing your password in to start using it. You realize just how much Microsoft has fundamentally compromised software and people are too used to it to assume computers aren't just slow by default.

Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?

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post #166

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Is it really that much easier to fight Microsoft? Say what you will about tweaking settings in Linux but it lets you do just about whatever you want. And the settings changes are at least understood and documented. I’d hate to use an OS that you repeatedly have to fight with over its user hostile changes. Every time I boot Windows in a VM I’m reminded of how much harder Windows users have it because they can’t just d…

It's probably my last Windows. It's getting harder to undo the shenanigans each time they push out another update. The moment I can't undo it, I'll move to Linux. I'll learn FreeCad and use Onenote in a browser. I have a long backlog of games that I finally have time to play, and for now they all just work on Windows. They probably 95% just work on Linux too, but it's that 5% that gives me pause.

If the games you want are on steam, check if they are on this list: https://areweanticheatyet.com/

If there is no anticheat (or the anticheat is supported), and the game is on steam, then I would wager that it would "just work". My feeling is that it's more like 99% now. Non steam games can be more problematic (I had issues with the blizzard/wow launcher for instance, it can be made to work but definitely doesn't "just work").

Happy gaming!

Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?

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Microsoft used to have an app called Office Lens. It helped color correct and keystone adjust documents scanned with a phone camera. They pushed an update that gutted the app and said this app has been replaced by OneDrive. After installing OneDrive and dodging multiple dark pattern storage upsells, I discovered the OneDrive app doesn’t have any of the document scanning tools. I’m sure someone got a bonus for increas…

> I discovered the OneDrive app doesn’t have any of the document scanning tools.

Loved office lens! The closets thing they have now is - + icon and Document.

Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?

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> maybe they just don't want to learn the alternatives. Or they use word/excel/powerpoint and have to interact with others who do also. If they're on Office 365, they could be on Linux.

Or winapps/cassowary/ I try to use libreoffice when possible but sometimes the performance takes a nosedive for opaque reasons when excel is ok

Every time I try to edit my cv containing many disconnected tables I want to scream from the frustration.

In Ms Office it's always the breeze and 2 minute job. In Libre office it's 15 at least, multiple fights with pages suddenly breaking, cells and rows refusing to stick to my dimensions or something perfectly fine in the print preview lose edges of the cells (ie missing letter, etc) when actually on paper/pdf.

Infuriating.

And I didn't even started about printing in Linux. What works in android ootb didn't consistently work for me across two distributions, several years and many versions. Papercut is the worst but cups is close second.

Re: Microsoft is employing dark patterns to goad users into paying for storage?

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I had to completely nuke OneDrive from windows. With a 2 terabyte SSD I'm unlikely to ever run out of space. Automatically opt in and make the settings deliberately vague and obtuse- companies that have FAITH in their product don't need to do this.

Why bother with windows though?

Some people have no choice.
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