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Re: YouTube now world's largest media company, topping Disney

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post #88

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Why would they? The entire point of YouTube Premium is removing ads. There are a few other benefits, but being ad-free is the big one. If they put back ads, I believe that most people will simply cancel their subscription and get a renewed interest in ad-blockers. It makes more sense to just increase the price, as they do. It is not like Amazon. Most people get Amazon Prime for the "free" shipping, and Prime with ads…

>Why would they? The entire point of YouTube Premium is removing ads. You could've easily made this argument about Hulu right before it did the exact same thing being described here. >If they put back ads, I believe that most people will simply cancel their subscription and get a renewed interest in ad-blockers. Doing this successfully on your smart TV is a barrier that most non-techy folk aren't going to climb over.…

This was true of Cable as well.

Re: YouTube now world's largest media company, topping Disney

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post #88
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect they're going to soon do what Amazon did as well, where they start putting ads into the regular YouTube Premium service, and charge an extra $3 a month for a completely ad free experience. I have the family plan shared across six accounts, and it went to $26, which really isn't that much but I'm not entirely sure why they're doing it.

Why would they? The entire point of YouTube Premium is removing ads. There are a few other benefits, but being ad-free is the big one. If they put back ads, I believe that most people will simply cancel their subscription and get a renewed interest in ad-blockers. It makes more sense to just increase the price, as they do. It is not like Amazon. Most people get Amazon Prime for the "free" shipping, and Prime with ads…

Price discrimination. They currently divide users into two groups: people not willing to pay anything to remove any ads, and people willing to pay the current price to remove all the ads.

As the number of users and the price go up, it may make sense to add a middle group: people who are willing to pay some smaller amount to remove (or otherwise reduce the impact) some of the ads.

Re: YouTube now world's largest media company, topping Disney

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Hyperbolically, I think it's one of humanity's greatest resources. I can find anything from precision machining, LLM internals, historical footage of WWI, music performances from pretty much any era, and on, and on. There are so many things that I didn't know there was any footage of or that I didn't a single thing about that I find there pretty much daily. I wish the BBC would publish their whole archive through YT.…

It was in pre-tiktok world(push to regular content update) & before the purge. A lot of content is now gone. Its a great resource but very loosely coupled with humanity/human knowledge (and arguably a pretty poor resource for it, both theoretically (linear information with contant velocity such as video) and practically (the content just isn't there on youtube, search is truncated etc.)).

> I didn't a single thing about that I find there pretty much daily.

Rarely(never?) have I found new knowledge on youtube, however its a great source of joy/emotions/slop.

Re: YouTube now world's largest media company, topping Disney

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post #203

Hyperbolically, I think it's one of humanity's greatest resources. I can find anything from precision machining, LLM internals, historical footage of WWI, music performances from pretty much any era, and on, and on. There are so many things that I didn't know there was any footage of or that I didn't a single thing about that I find there pretty much daily. I wish the BBC would publish their whole archive through YT.…

It was in pre-tiktok world(push to regular content update) & before the purge. A lot of content is now gone. Its a great resource but very loosely coupled with humanity/human knowledge (and arguably a pretty poor resource for it, both theoretically (linear information with contant velocity such as video) and practically (the content just isn't there on youtube, search is truncated etc.)). > I didn't a single thing ab…

> Rarely(never?) have I found new knowledge on youtube,

Did you ever try? There are experts in many fields posting about all kinds of stuff in there, from professional knowledge, to the most mainstream of hobbies, to very obscure stuff.

Re: YouTube now world's largest media company, topping Disney

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post #149

Radically different sorts of business. Youtube's income comes from engagement, and it's value comes from its network effects. Youtube doesn't own any of the content on its platform, and you could replace every video on Youtube and it wouldn't matter so long as it remains the place people post videos. Youtube's survival is about gaining and keeping eyeballs, its competitors are other sites that people may spend their…

>Youtube doesn't own any of the content on its platform

What additional benefits would ownership grand Youtube? It seems like they have everything worth having (under “License to Youtube, Duration of License, and Right to Monetize”).

https://www.youtube.com/static?gl=US&template=terms

Re: YouTube now world's largest media company, topping Disney

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post #203

Hyperbolically, I think it's one of humanity's greatest resources. I can find anything from precision machining, LLM internals, historical footage of WWI, music performances from pretty much any era, and on, and on. There are so many things that I didn't know there was any footage of or that I didn't a single thing about that I find there pretty much daily. I wish the BBC would publish their whole archive through YT.…

It was in pre-tiktok world(push to regular content update) & before the purge. A lot of content is now gone. Its a great resource but very loosely coupled with humanity/human knowledge (and arguably a pretty poor resource for it, both theoretically (linear information with contant velocity such as video) and practically (the content just isn't there on youtube, search is truncated etc.)). > I didn't a single thing ab…

> Rarely(never?) have I found new knowledge on youtube, however its a great source of joy/emotions/slop.

I suspect you are not looking very hard. I have learned a tremendous amount about everything from stone cutting to metalworking to welding to Kalman filters to linear algebra. There is a lot out there. The main annoyance I have is keeping AI slop out of my feed so that I can instead learn from genuine experts. There is a huge amount out there.

Re: YouTube now world's largest media company, topping Disney

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post #203

Hyperbolically, I think it's one of humanity's greatest resources. I can find anything from precision machining, LLM internals, historical footage of WWI, music performances from pretty much any era, and on, and on. There are so many things that I didn't know there was any footage of or that I didn't a single thing about that I find there pretty much daily. I wish the BBC would publish their whole archive through YT.…

It was in pre-tiktok world(push to regular content update) & before the purge. A lot of content is now gone. Its a great resource but very loosely coupled with humanity/human knowledge (and arguably a pretty poor resource for it, both theoretically (linear information with contant velocity such as video) and practically (the content just isn't there on youtube, search is truncated etc.)). > I didn't a single thing ab…

What purge?

I'm searching Google trying to figure out what you're talking about but not getting any meaningful results.

Re: YouTube now world's largest media company, topping Disney

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post #86

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>If I start seeing ads unless I'm extorted for more money, that might end up being a final straw for me. How is it any different than the price increases that have happened up until now? Or do you mean $27 per month for up to 6 accounts is the most you will ever be willing to pay?

I'm not a huge fan of the current price increase, but what I was referring to was what Amazon Prime did about a year ago. Amazon Prime has ads by default now, or you can get rid of the ads if you pay an additional $3 a month. If they start showing some amount of ads on my YouTube Premium, and start charging a fee to get rid of all of them, I think it will just piss me off; I already pay for YouTube Premium, I am not…

This isn't entirely unlike how a candy bar a year ago was larger than today, having the same price.

You can either reduce the product or increase prices, or both if you're really going for it.

Re: YouTube now world's largest media company, topping Disney

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It's wild to me that only 3 years ago there were still people on HN arguing that Youtube can't be profitable[1].

11 years ago it was already clear there was a great path to profits, even if they weren't profitable at that point.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34268272

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9215164

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