By donating to MZLA Technologies Corporation? Then I guess I'll switch to KMail or Evolution.
Seamonkey or claws mifht be good alternatives too.
Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
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Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do they do with all that money? According to wikipedia, they had about 750 employees. That's a lot of employees for the amount of useful products they have.
How did you come to the conclusion that 750 people is a lot to build a web browser? The Chrome-adjacent teams at Google are about 4,000 people, and that doesn't even include all the people at Google providing infrastructure (e.g. servers, workplace, HR, legal etc.). Comparing Firefox to Chromium-based browsers doesn't make much sense since these browsers don't develop their own web engine.
How did you come to the conclusion that it's not? Google being bloated is not a good justification for why Mozilla should be bloated too. Someone in the comment below suggested that Ladybird was built by about 10 people. Call me naive, but I don't think you'd need 75x number of people to work on a browser that's already established for over 2 decades.
Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
#203As a lot of people in this thread advise against Thunderbird, what do you recommend instead (preferably for Windows as I am stuck on that)?
I think they are just hating on Mozilla out of pure principles, but without any alternative.
I just use geary, it's less annoying and does the job
Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
#204Torn about this due to multiple factors...but I think the core reasoning remains: if it's a tool you like, there are actual people working on it, and if you want those actual people to stay employed and continue working on the tool, it's in your best interest to do things like donate and talk/share about them.
Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
#205A bit more context would be helpful, as someone happy to donate -- what is the current situation, why the urgency? Just some more info would be good.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really don't remember (+quick check) Firebird for the email client, do you have source for this?
Predecessor of Firefox was Firebird, and before that it was even called Phoenix. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Name_changes
So it wasn't used before Thunderbird, that was the point of OP and myself. We were talking about the email client(!).
And I was an user of firebird, the database.
Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really don't remember (+quick check) Firebird for the email client, do you have source for this?
Firebird was the browser's name, after phoenix and before rebranding to firefox.
So it wasn't used before Thunderbird, that was the point of OP and myself. We were talking about the email client(!).
And I was an user of firebird, the database.
Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
#208After reading a bunch of negative comments here, let me add a little on the bright side. I've been using Thunderbird for many years, currently both at home and at work to manage gmail accounts, pop at home, imap in the office. It works great for me, with a few annoyances but nothing serious. As for the donations, Thunderbird seems to be somehow apart from Mozilla now, so I don't think much about specific org structur…
I use Thunderbird from the beginning when it was still named Firebird (I switched from Outlook Express). I think that it's a good product because it continues to do the job since more than 20 years. Me too I don't understand the negative comments. It's free (MPL license), it's packaged by Debian. All good. I don't care about Mozilla.
I’ve used it since it was called Netscape Mail. ;-)
Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been using Thunderbird for decades, I've donated in the past, and am likely to donate again. With that out of the way, the lack of transparency as to what happens to my money kills the incentive to donate. "How will my gift be used?" "Thunderbird is the leading open source email and productivity app that is free for business and personal use. Your gift helps ensure it stays that way, and supports ongoing develop…
> Your gift helps ensure it stays that way Written this way, it sounds like "donate or we'll have to make you pay for it"
That's exactly what it means.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't be so harsh on them. (\s) They show lots of willpower and some sort of vision when talking about AI in Firefox.
Don't forget telemetry! The makers of the "privacy-focused browser" were super strong-willed about that, too.
It is important that they know exactly how many users are permanently switching to Chrome.